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Started by Gaspar, October 01, 2013, 07:30:19 AM

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swake

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 01:21:45 PM
This door was opened when the Senate refused to pass a budget. . .again! [/img]

The Senate did pass a budget. IN APRIL. Ever since then Senate Republicans have blocked Reid from forming a conference committee to resolve differences with the House Budget.

The Senate this week has been passing daily budget continuing resolutions but the house won't even let the bills be voted on. 

Why won't House Republican leadership even let the bill come up for a vote? Because it would pass.

Gaspar

Quote from: swake on October 02, 2013, 01:40:36 PM
The Senate did pass a budget. IN APRIL. Ever since then Senate Republicans have blocked Reid from forming a conference committee to resolve differences with the House Budget.

The Senate this week has been passing daily budget continuing resolutions but the house won't even let the bills be voted on.  

Why won't House Republican leadership even let the bill come up for a vote? Because it would pass.


That was not a serious budget. Amendments in the bill necessary to secure it's passage included the allowance for sales taxes on Internet purchases, for approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline and the repeal of the medical devices tax in Obamacare.  It also included nearly a $1 trillion in new tax hikes. It was not a serious bill, it was simply a way to say "see we passed a budget."  50-49 vote with many of the most prominent supporters of the president saying it would never achieve presidential signature, and bringing it to a vote in the House would likely cost Democrats seats in both the House and Senate.

It was no better than the president's budget that couldn't get a single vote from anyone in his own party.  


When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Gaspar

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend


Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 02:02:26 PM
Members of Oklahoma's finest generation will be going too.  God Bless!



Maybe Bridenstiners will see they're just making people angry.

Gaspar

Quote from: Townsend on October 02, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
Less serious than 42 attempts to repeal a law?

Likely to be hundreds of attempts over the next four years, unless we see some leadership.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 02:04:20 PM
Likely to be hundreds of attempts over the next four years, unless we see some leadership.

Boehner's been giving it his best.  It's just not working.

swake

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
That was not a serious budget. Amendments in the bill necessary to secure it's passage included the allowance for sales taxes on Internet purchases, for approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline and the repeal of the medical devices tax in Obamacare.  It also included nearly a $1 trillion in new tax hikes. It was not a serious bill, it was simply a way to say "see we passed a budget."  50-49 vote with many of the most prominent supporters of the president saying it would never achieve presidential signature, and bringing it to a vote in the House would likely cost Democrats seats in both the House and Senate.

It was no better than the president's budget that couldn't get a single vote from anyone in his own party.  




That's why you have the conference committee, to work out differences to the point there's a bill both sides can pass. But that's never going to happen with Tea Party stance that they will never compromise. Now they won't let bills that they don't agree with to even be voted on. It's madness.

Townsend

US News FB post:

QuoteHigh-profile Wall Street CEOs are meeting at the White House today, something that could test corporate America's ability to resolve the impasse on the federal debt and government shutdown by influencing House Republicans and countering tea party hardliners.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/10/02/obama-meets-with-wall-street-ceos-on-shutdown-impasse?src=usn_fb

Will it work?  Standing by...

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 01:59:37 PM
That was not a serious budget. Amendments in the bill necessary to secure it's passage included the allowance for sales taxes on Internet purchases, for approval of the Keystone XL oil pipeline and the repeal of the medical devices tax in Obamacare.  It also included nearly a $1 trillion in new tax hikes. It was not a serious bill, it was simply a way to say "see we passed a budget."  50-49 vote with many of the most prominent supporters of the president saying it would never achieve presidential signature, and bringing it to a vote in the House would likely cost Democrats seats in both the House and Senate.

It was no better than the president's budget that couldn't get a single vote from anyone in his own party.  





And even supposing you are right about any of those points - they all add up to still light years more serious than Boner & Buds with their "de-fund" amendment.


"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Hoss

Quote from: heironymouspasparagus on October 02, 2013, 02:18:00 PM

And even supposing you are right about any of those points - they all add up to still light years more serious than Boner & Buds with their "de-fund" amendment.




My favorite nickname for the Speaker sofar this crisis?

"The Weeping Cheeto".

nathanm

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 01:21:45 PM
Both parties are to blame, and in the absence of leadership from the White House, both parties will continue to present this spectacle.

Funny that you blame the house of Congress that passed a budget and has asked for a conference committee more than 15 times since March, which Boehner has refused, for lack of leadership and unwillingness to negotiate. A majority of the House, the Senate, and the President all agree on the continuing resolution already passed by the Senate. Boehner and his group of cry babies are the only ones keeping this mess going, and sadly, they're the only ones who can fix it since Boehner is the one who gets to decide what the House gets to vote on.

I'm not really sure where your criticism of Obama comes from on this, either. He's not the one who is literally giddy with excitement over having the government shut down. He has led a majority of the Senate and House to an agreement. It is only the hard core radicals, enabled by Boehner's fear for his job should he let the will of the majority be done that is standing in the way.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Gets a little more disgusting.
WWII Memorial, Carol Johnson w/the Park Service says they were "excepted from furlough" and told to close the site by White House.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

Yes, it is disgusting that things close. ..what?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

patric

Quote from: Gaspar on October 02, 2013, 12:07:53 PM
A little additional background on the WWII memorial closing.  Rep. Steven Palazzo of Miss. contacted the administration on Tuesday morning to clear the visit for the WWII vets and was denied. 

You dont call the public library to order pizza from Mazios, so why would you call the White House to arrange a tour at a park?
That's NPS domain, and they have this really big book of rules and procedures that predates "the administration"

Michele Bachmann, meanwhile, has been photobombing the media with pictures of herself ripping up caution tape from the WWII memorial, as if to say the Tea Party is coming to the rescue of these poor vets being dissed by "the administration"  The GOP is the victim, dont you know...
"Tulsa will lay off police and firemen before we will cut back on unnecessarily wasteful streetlights."  -- March 18, 2009 TulsaNow Forum