ONEOK Plaza Grounds Renovation

[Nik]

ONEOK is going to be modernizing the plaza area in between the building and the parking garage. Construction will begin this week and should be complete by July.

[rdj]

Good news.  It looked very aged and dilapidated.

[In_Tulsa]

I would love to see them finish their building. I know it has the basements to support a 60 story building. That would be very nice for our skyline and bring more class A office space.

[Ibanez]

I would love to see them finish their building. I know it has the basements to support a 60 story building. That would be very nice for our skyline and bring more class A office space.

I was told 70 by a geology professor back in the early 90's. Can't remember his role in the whole thing, but he was involved in the planning for the building somehow.

[carltonplace]

This is the plaza on 6th St?

[BKDotCom]

This is the plaza on 6th St?

yup

[patric]

ONEOK is going to be modernizing the plaza area in between the building and the parking garage. Construction will begin this week and should be complete by July.

The lights in the drawing are little more than fluorescent tubes on a stick, like the carp you find in front of casinos.
After a few auto-pedestrian incidents caused by glare, they will come in later with yet more lights to "fix" the problem.

...or they could just install some shielded, low-glare lights and skip all that drama.

[dsjeffries]

The lights in the drawing are little more than fluorescent tubes on a stick, like the carp you find in front of casinos.
After a few auto-pedestrian incidents caused by glare, they will come in later with yet more lights to "fix" the problem.

...or they could just install some shielded, low-glare lights and skip all that drama.

Or they could build something useful there, like a building. I don't know how that would work with the parking deck below, but corporate plazas like this almost never get used for anything except smoke breaks. Toss in a 1-, 2- or 3-story building on the east and west sides and have a smaller area for sidewalk cafes in the middle. Almost anything would be more useful than a poorly-designed plaza.

[carltonplace]

Or they could build something useful there, like a building. I don't know how that would work with the parking deck below, but corporate plazas like this almost never get used for anything except smoke breaks. Toss in a 1-, 2- or 3-story building on the east and west sides and have a smaller area for sidewalk cafes in the middle. Almost anything would be more useful than a poorly-design plaza.

+1.

how likely is it that the city traffic engineer is going to approve an unregulated cross-walk in the middle of the block given that they would not approve a cross-walk at 21st and Trenton with a flashing light.

[Townsend]

+1.

how likely is it that the city traffic engineer is going to approve an unregulated cross-walk in the middle of the block given that they would not approve a cross-walk at 21st and Trenton with a flashing light.

It's a rendering.  Look at the trees.  They're all alive.  There's a cab on the street in Downtown Tulsa...

[dsjeffries]

+1.

how likely is it that the city traffic engineer is going to approve an unregulated cross-walk in the middle of the block given that they would not approve a cross-walk at 21st and Trenton with a flashing light.

The mid-block crosswalk already exists. You know, so people can enter the parking garage and leave downtown immediately, without having to walk to a corner only 150 feet away in either direction.

[carltonplace]

Really. So people who visit/work downtown are smarter than people who live at 21st and Trenton when it comes to crossing streets. Interesting

[nathanm]

The mid-block crosswalk already exists. You know, so people can enter the parking garage and leave downtown immediately, without having to walk to a corner only 150 feet away in either direction.

Or take the elevator down one extra floor so they can use the tunnel.

[cannon_fodder]

1) the 60 story foundation is a myth.  The building cannot be "completes."

2) the crosswalk is ridiculous as there is a tunnel connecting the garage to the building and 2 crosswalks 30 feet in either direction.

[swake]

1) the 60 story foundation is a myth.  The building cannot be "completes."

Not a myth. Cities Service was bought out mid-construction and the building was capped and sold to Oneok. I don't think the actual height was 60 floors when construction started, I think it had already been lowered to 35-40 floors, I don't remember exactly, but I do remember it happening.

Now, could you really feasibly add the additional height on, I don't know.