Saggy pants?

[Ed W]

Councilor Jack Henderson wants to outlaw saggy pants. Given all the other problems facing the city, the good councilor has decided to focus on this one.



I think we should have a legal requirement that anyone wearing saggy pants be photographed and those photos be stored until he has teenage children. The photos would be given to those children so that they could ridicule their parents mercilessly. Sure, it's not a short term solution, but I suspect it would be effective.

[Red Arrow]

Councilor Jack Henderson wants to outlaw saggy pants. Given all the other problems facing the city, the good councilor has decided to focus on this one.



I think we should have a legal requirement that anyone wearing saggy pants be photographed and those photos be stored until he has teenage children. The photos would be given to those children so that they could ridicule their parents mercilessly. Sure, it's not a short term solution, but I suspect it would be effective.

Those look more baggy than saggy.

[RecycleMichael]

While I am not sure we should have ordinances about how we wear clothes, I am with Councilor Henderson in disliking this trend.

I am just astonished at how bad these kids look. I stop at a convenience store at Pine and Peoria almost every day and there is usually a couple of kids hanging around with their pants all the way down below their butt.

[Gaspar]

Hey, at least these kids aren't exposed to the horrors of community gardening.

Why should the government regulate what we wear now?

I have several friends in law enforcement and they are all big fans of the saggy pants style, because it helps significantly cut down on the duration of foot-chases, and makes it nearly impossible to scale a chain-link fence.

I don't like ties, and my concerns have legitimate medical evidence to back up the fact that wearing a necktie has a negative impact on health.  Wearing a necktie increases blood pressure, and inner-ocular pressure (especially damaging to those with glaucoma).  They also increase inflammation in the carotid arteries leading to the accumulation of cholesterol and increasing the chance of stroke.  For people who battle obesity, or with diabetes and other diseases that affect peripheral circulation, the practice of wearing a necktie can significantly increase a number of circulatory problems related to the head and neck including surface varicositys (facial varicose veins) that can ultimately cause blood clots (thrombosis).

Further more, people are injured every year from necktie related accidents caused by ties becoming caught in machinery, or other equipment causing asphyxiation and in some cases death.

Basically neckties, like the one counsilor Henderson is wearing in this photograph, pose an actual threat to public health, unlike saggy pants (which actually provide a positive service for law enforcement).

Do I think we should outlaw neckties because of their obvious and well documented threat to public health? NO!

Why?  Because if I choose to wear a necktie, I am doing no harm to another person, nor am I infringing on the rights of another person.

The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not sufficient warrant. – John Stuart Mill

[TheArtist]

   This is silly.  Every time I see some kid wearing pants like that I just chuckle and think it looks absurd, but hey, every generation had some clothing fad that looked absurd to someone. Let it be, it will fade away like all the rest have. My guess would be that Henderson only wants attention and this is a way to get it. Not much different than the kids with the saggy pants lol.  Btw, often times these kids are wearing basketball or running shorts under the pants.  Do we ban people from wearing even less, aka, no jeans just "offensive" shorts?

 But if we are going to ban things that are "publicly indecent"  Fat people whose butt cracks show (definitely should get a ticket) along with construction workers wearing tool belts causing the same indecent exposure.  Also please ban the spandex shorts/cowboy boots combo, completely offensive and indecent (often seen at the state fair for some reason). No wearing old sweat pants and a ratty t-shirt out to a public space, like to a store (often to Wal-Mart for some reason, have some self respect people) All of these and more could really improve the image of our city.

[Gaspar]

  This is silly.  Every time I see some kid wearing pants like that I just chuckle and think it looks absurd, but hey, every generation had some clothing fad that looked absurd to someone. Let it be, it will fade away like all the rest have. My guess would be that Henderson only wants attention and this is a way to get it. Not much different than the kids with the saggy pants lol.  Btw, often times these kids are wearing basketball or running shorts under the pants.  Do we ban people from wearing even less, aka, no jeans just "offensive" shorts?

 But if we are going to ban things that are "publicly indecent"  Fat people whose butt cracks show (definitely should get a ticket) along with construction workers wearing tool belts causing the same indecent exposure.  Also please ban the spandex shorts/cowboy boots combo, completely offensive and indecent (often seen at the state fair for some reason). No wearing old sweat pants and a ratty t-shirt out to a public space, like to a store (often to Wal-Mart for some reason, have some self respect people) All of these and more could really improve the image of our city.

Let's ban parachute pants. . .oh wait, fashion already did that. 

[Conan71]

Well neckties do provide a good service to attorneys while in the courtroom...

[Gaspar]

Well neckties do provide a good service to attorneys while in the courtroom...

I would have been disappointed if you didn't bring that up. 

[Red Arrow]

Well neckties do provide a good service to attorneys while in the courtroom...

Well, some.

[AquaMan]

I love Zoot Suits!

Its a clumsy effort on Henderson's part. I work a lot in poor, dangerous neighborhoods. I understand they are often to the point of outraging public decency and lots of North Tulsa citizens are supportive of his remarks but it is just a style that will decompose on its own, just like Zoot suits. Gas is right that it not only slows their escapes but marks them for every retailer and undercover to be alert. BTW, its not kids sagging. Kids can't ride a bus or go to school sagging or wearing hoodies.

How to get rid of ties (and suits) is more problematic. Once businessmen realized hats were making them bald, they dropped out of use. But ties, whose original purpose may have been to wipe food off the faces of the wealthy, is a mark of status.

[RecycleMichael]

I think the first neckties were used in European battles to identify different battalions in the same army.

[Red Arrow]

How to get rid of ties (and suits) is more problematic. Once businessmen realized hats were making them bald, they dropped out of use. But ties, whose original purpose may have been to wipe food off the faces of the wealthy, is a mark of status.

As a symbol of income inequality, it should be no problem to legislate suits and ties into obscurity.

[Red Arrow]

I think the first neckties were used in European battles to identify different battalions in the same army.

I think they were devised by women as a training collar similar to the training (choke) collars used on dogs.

[AquaMan]

I'm surprised we don't have any studies to see if Conservatives wear more solid red ties and Liberals more solid blue ties. It would be a fine marketing tool.
I love what the Goldman Sach's president said recently, (paraphrase, "We have no problem creating wealth in America. We have a problem with distributing it."

Income comes and goes. Wealth is the real definer.

[Red Arrow]

I'm surprised we don't have any studies to see if Conservatives wear more solid red ties and Liberals more solid blue ties.

Only the fringes would wear the solid colors. Mostly left with a little moderation would have one or two red stripes....