Obama is Still Killin Folks

[AquaMan]

BS.

There hasn't been enough piling on. Gas's post wasn't even worthy of responding to. It took a while before I would dignify it. If this is the crap that you feel comfortable defending and swerving around to do so, then good luck to you both. I see some very anti-patriotic vitriol spewing forth, masquerading behind Palin style speech writing and nothing, nothing, will justify it.

[Conan71]

BS.

There hasn't been enough piling on. Gas's post wasn't even worthy of responding to. It took a while before I would dignify it. If this is the crap that you feel comfortable defending and swerving around to do so, then good luck to you both. I see some very anti-patriotic vitriol spewing forth, masquerading behind Palin style speech writing and nothing, nothing, will justify it.

Yeah, okay Aqua, whatever makes you sleep well at night.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Wow, pile on the poster for identifying that random casualties of war continue under the administration which was hustled in partly because people were afraid McCain would be an extension, if not an expansion of Bush's war-time policies and more collateral damage.

During the Bush Admin, I specifically recall a daily body count of U.S. service men and women in the Tulsa World as well as larger national publications. There were protesters hanging a banner on the Peoria bridge over the BA expressway at rush hour with the updated body count.

Aqua, you, amongst others made it sound as if Bush recklessly jumped into killing Middle Easterners with no reservation back in the dy. Now, suddenly, he deliberated long and hard about it, just like Obama? 

Gaspar is hardly being a hypocrite. I don't recall him defending the collateral victims in the Middle East from 2001 through 2008.  The real hypocrites are those who spoke out against the very same actions for eight years previous but haven't issued so much as a mouse's fart in protest now that their guy has been in office for five years.

The current administration making mistakes with dire consequences is not justifiable by the incompetence of previous administrations.  That is not the platform this president ran on.  He ran on "change" and ending acts of war that could involve innocent civilians.  "Change" was nothing but a platitude.  Some of you just don't want to admit you got chumped by this clown.

Body count publicity peaked in Viet Nam.  Our casualty lists were in the Tulsa World daily.  Enemy kills - 100's a day - were also noted....

As for the current admin - well, it is the same kind of warmongering, Imperialistic voyeurism that we had during Bush.  Bush.  Reagan.  Nixon.  Johnson.   But hey...Clint Eastwood got a good little movie out of one of Reagan's voyeuristic journeys!

[heironymouspasparagus]

We need a good blues interlude right about now....  Son House oughta do it...  Good Sh$t, Maynard....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0bv_PTazDc

[Rookie Okie]

We need a good blues interlude right about now....  Son House oughta do it...  Good Sh$t, Maynard....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0bv_PTazDc

T-H-A-N-K-S   S-O   M-U-C-H   for posting the link to this gem that I haven't heard since I don't know when!!

[heironymouspasparagus]

T-H-A-N-K-S   S-O   M-U-C-H   for posting the link to this gem that I haven't heard since I don't know when!!

Just been chillin' to Blind Willie Johnson, Son House, REAL early Bob Dylan (North Country Blues at the Newport Folk festival), and a dash of Woodie Guthrie tonight.  Relaxing.

[Gaspar]

People used to use the power of music to protest atrocity, but I suppose it also works as a distraction. :-)

Want to be "patriotic" Aqua? Support our president in just military action for the purpose of protecting our freedom, and condemn our president when he circumvents congress to wage secret wars and kill indiscriminately. Who the president is and the letter after his name should not matter.  

Sacrificing yourself, your morals, and core philosophies daily to suffer the arrows of President Obama's failures is not patriotic. In all fairness, I don't believe President Obama sits in the "Tuesday Terror Meeting" each week and says "yes let's kill these people." Like everything else he seems to do, I think he is most likely absent, and only reads the PDFs later backstage at one of his speaking engagements. Devoid of leadership the CIA is left to their own devices, and unbound by consequence or the conscience of the nation.

I would be shocked if he actually applied himself in this manner.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/obama-drones-double-down_n_4208815.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/signature-strikes-and-the_b_3575351.html
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/13/1262435/-U-S-Drone-Strike-Kills-14-in-Wedding-Party-in-Yemen
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/22/human-rights-groups-say-drone-strikes-violate-laws-war/

"Before any strike is taken, there must be near-certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured -- the highest standard we can set." - President Obama November 26, 2013

[Cats Cats Cats]

"Gaspar is hardly being a hypocrite. I don't recall him defending the collateral victims in the Middle East from 2001 through 2008.  The real hypocrites are those who spoke out against the very same actions for eight years previous but haven't issued so much as a mouse's fart in protest now that their guy has been in office for five years."

So if somebody spoke out against something from 2001-2008 and don't say anything now they are a hypocrite.  But if you said nothing from 2001-2008 and say something now that isn't the same thing?  No action - action vs action - no action is the same level of change in investment.  Really what really through it over the top was the giant bold headlines.  If this was posted seriously we would be having a conversation on drone strikes and everybody would be consistent in their stance.  This is a "oh boy a drone killed some kids in another country now I have something to post on Tulsa Now bashing the President" thread.   

[Gaspar]

"Gaspar is hardly being a hypocrite. I don't recall him defending the collateral victims in the Middle East from 2001 through 2008.  The real hypocrites are those who spoke out against the very same actions for eight years previous but haven't issued so much as a mouse's fart in protest now that their guy has been in office for five years."

So if somebody spoke out against something from 2001-2008 and don't say anything now they are a hypocrite.  But if you said nothing from 2001-2008 and say something now that isn't the same thing?  No action - action vs action - no action is the same level of change in investment.  Really what really through it over the top was the giant bold headlines.  If this was posted seriously we would be having a conversation on drone strikes and everybody would be consistent in their stance.  This is a "oh boy a drone killed some kids in another country now I have something to post on Tulsa Now bashing the President" thread.   

So, choose to have a conversation.  Sorry that you and Hoss take offense to typography.

[BKDotCom]

BS.

There hasn't been enough piling on. Gas's post wasn't even worthy of responding to. It took a while before I would dignify it. If this is the crap that you feel comfortable defending and swerving around to do so, then good luck to you both. I see some very anti-patriotic vitriol spewing forth, masquerading behind Palin style speech writing and nothing, nothing, will justify it.

The 'ol "you're either with us, or with the enemy" fallacy?

[Conan71]

So if somebody spoke out against something from 2001-2008 and don't say anything now they are a hypocrite.  But if you said nothing from 2001-2008 and say something now that isn't the same thing?  No action - action vs action - no action is the same level of change in investment.  Really what really through it over the top was the giant bold headlines.  If this was posted seriously we would be having a conversation on drone strikes and everybody would be consistent in their stance.  This is a "oh boy a drone killed some kids in another country now I have something to post on Tulsa Now bashing the President" thread.   

What kind of frontier gibberish is this? 

The simple point is this: The Cindy Sheehans of the world are being curiously silent while the same destructive policies of the previous administration are still going on. It now would appear their outrage during the Bush years wasn't against indiscriminate killing but rather still being pissed off that Bush won the 2000 election because when Obama does the exact same thing, you hear no protest.

There are severe breaches of the Constitution going on under this administration vis-a-vis the IRS scandals, NSA spying scandals, and drone strikes on civilians and yet no one is being held accountable under this administration. These are things that are far bigger than Libby/Plame that Democrats on The Hill could care less about.  It's constant obfuscation, circle the wagons, and blame the previous president. 

[Gaspar]

Those who remain silent are simply hypocrites, but those who rally to provide justification are the threat.  They are the dangerous ones because they worship the cult of personality.  The man at the alter, that is always where evil dwells.

Germany had a very popular leader once and he built that popularity through the loyalty of those willing to justify his actions and deny every wrongdoing.  


The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. – Adolf Hitler

[AquaMan]

You two keep burping up the left over pizza. Your credibility is in free fall. Typography indeed.

Isn't there a phrase we use when all else fails and the poster starts relating his opponent's views to Hitler and Nazism?

CharlieSheen, that was a good analysis.

[Hoss]

You two keep burping up the left over pizza. Your credibility is in free fall.

Isn't there a phrase we use when all else fails and the poster starts relating his opponent's views to Hitler and Nazism?

CharlieSheen, that was a good analysis.

It's called 'Godwining'...formally known as 'Godwin's Law'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[Rookie Okie]

Given the ever expanding and already vast divide in America, it is difficult to fathom the U.S. as capable of having a popular leader in the foreseeable future.  Whomever is at the helm will be sugar to one half, and $hit to the other unlike Nazi Germany.  Like them or not, no U.S. leader past or present should ever be compared to or referenced in the context of Hitler. 

More importantly, Tulsa is not gaining anything from the drain of energy and brainpower of some good minds being focused against each other.  What can be solved or made better through this?   Can everyone just agree to disagree and continue to uplift Tulsa?