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Bishop v. United States: Oklahoma gay marriage

Started by cannon_fodder, January 15, 2014, 06:32:40 PM

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guido911

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on March 20, 2014, 01:03:51 AM
That is an impressively literal reading of the Bible. Seems like he has trouble with the concept of parable.

That's a bit low on the list of that clown's problems...
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

heironymouspasparagus

And now there is another reason to never go to Illinois, besides their gun control ignorance.  Are they getting a big migration of some of our worst?  Will that make Oklahoma a smarter place?

I'm thinking that since we get about the most tornadoes, then that must mean we have a larger proportion of gay people....except so many I have known have moved out of state....  what is going on in the world?  Oh, wait,....I know....it's RWRE extremism hard at work in the heartland!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/19/susanne-atanus-congress-_n_4993555.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

TeeDub


Hoss

Quote from: TeeDub on March 20, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
Colorado stones homos....    And straights...   Hell, Colorado thinks everyone should be stoned.

thank you, i'll be here all week

cannon_fodder

The interesting debate would be if he can be charged with inciting violence.  If the KKK were to say "the bible says black people should be hanged, we should do what the Bible says," they would be charged with inciting violence.  Same if religion was used as an excuse to incite violence against Jews.

But a Christian saying we should murder gay people, then there is a question if he committed a crime (potential criminal act > his 1st amendment right).  Generally, your right to free speech stops when you advocate criminally revoking someone else's rights.  Murder, for instance.
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cannon_fodder

A 2 minute research:  it appears you can try to get a crowd to lynch people in Oklahoma unless the person against whom you are encouraging violenece is based on race, religion or ethnic origin.  Political beliefs, sexual orientation., or anything else either isn't protected under state law - PR is pigeoned toed under some other law.

Hard to believe "you should kill group X or you will go to hell" is protected speech.  It calls for violenece, not a statement of belief.
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Conan71

Quote from: cannon_fodder on March 20, 2014, 01:36:04 PM
The interesting debate would be if he can be charged with inciting violence. 

Better likelihood of it if he were white.  At least there would be more of an outrage.

Consider how Al $harpton and Je$$e Jacka$$ can get away with hurling all sorts of epithets toward Jews and white people without anyone so much as batting an eyelash.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Townsend

Quote from: Conan71 on March 20, 2014, 01:49:41 PM
Better likelihood of it if he were white.  At least there would be more of an outrage.

Consider how Al $harpton and Je$$e Jacka$$ can get away with hurling all sorts of epithets toward Jews and white people without anyone so much as batting an eyelash.

Eyelashes are batted.  ("Himey Town" from memory)

cannon_fodder

To be clear, insults, slurs and epithets should NEVER be criminalized.  Only a call to cause violence to another which is not hyperbole and has a likelihood of fruition.  Jesse Jackson can calle whatever name he wants, when he encourages others to harm me... he crosses the line.

So the question is, really, can you hide behind religion while encouraging people to murder someone?
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nathanm

Maybe he meant all the gay people should be forced to smoke the wacky terbacky?  :P
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

swake

Quote from: nathanm on March 20, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Maybe he meant all the gay people should be forced to smoke the wacky terbacky?  :P


Rookie Okie

Quote from: Conan71 on March 20, 2014, 01:49:41 PM


Consider how Al $harpton and Je$$e Jacka$$ can get away with hurling all sorts of epithets toward Jews and white people without anyone so much as batting an eyelash.
I don't know of Reverend Sharpton hurling epithet(S) towards whites and Jews.  He may pi$$ off some people because of positions that he takes that differ from his detractors, but such actions don't constitute racial name calling.  There would certainly be outrage if he did so, because there is outrage expressed towards him by his enemies over any comments he makes.