9th and Cincinnati - Dirt Turning

[TURobY]

Any idea what's going on at the corner of 9th and Cincinnati (http://bit.ly/1dNejkx)? Empty lot chained off and being dug up.

[jacobi]

Any idea what's going on at the corner of 9th and Cincinnati (http://bit.ly/1dNejkx)? Empty lot chained off and being dug up.

TCC is developing the building adjacent to the lot.  Center for disabilities, I think.


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[RecycleMichael]

I am building a new recycling center on the southeast corner of 11th and Cincinnati.

Go buy and look at my new wall made from recycled bottles.

[TURobY]

I work over at 9th & Detroit (Sun Building), so I could always see the lot from my office, but it was always opposite direction of travel for me. Thanks for the info. It's nice to see that they're actually BUILDING in an empty lot, instead of creating a new one!

[davideinstein]

Fill these lots up!!!

[sgrizzle]

http://www.tulsacc.edu/articles/october/16/2013/groundbreaking-held-nate-waters-physical-therapy-clinic-tcc

It will take up the former 66'ers office, and the lot to the south.

[Conan71]

Fill these lots up!!!

...with something other than asphalt and cars.

[carltonplace]

TCC has a lot to answer for: The damage done to our density by this single entity is staggering. 

In my opinion the only way for them to make it up to Tulsa is to either build on or sell all of the empty space they have perpetuated.

[AquaMan]

I recently spoke to the president of a local engineering firm who told me he tried in vain years ago to encourage Van Trease to not erase the area around TCC by replacing historical and interesting old buildings with parking lots. VanTrease told him that their surveys showed that students would not park in multiple story buildings so they ignored his advice.

Years later VanTrease admitted it was a terrible mistake and wished he (and the board) had listened.

[DowntownDan]

Don't let the church's off the hook.  They've contributed substantially to our award winning parking crater.  I'm guessing, though, that if some developer made TCC an offer that made sense economically for them to take, they would take it.  The bigger problem is that those lots presently are probably more valuable as parking lots.  I expect that it will be several more years until the Deco District moves substantially to the South and makes those lots more valuable for new construction.  Until then, I think we're pretty well stuck with the crater.

[carltonplace]

Unless Kaiser picks up The Artist's Cathedral Square idea.

[jacobi]

I'm guessing, though, that if some developer made TCC an offer that made sense economically for them to take, they would take it.  The bigger problem is that those lots presently are probably more valuable as parking lots.  I expect that it will be several more years until the Deco District moves substantially to the South and makes those lots more valuable for new construction.  Until then, I think we're pretty well stuck with the crater.

I've talked about this a lot.  It would seem to me that the economics of the situation are such that TCC is going to have to dig in with some more development (which I think WILL keep happening).  Additionally development AROUND the area will have to come up such that it would be valuable enough to not just remain lots.  Namely, any of the east end projects in the works (old Chevy Dealership, urban 8, All Souls) will start driving development (and value) south.  Additionally, development in Gunboat Park and the area around Boulder Towers would be extremely helpful in driving the appeal of the crater lots.  That said, something tells me that the churches will hold out longer than TCC.  The circulator would turbo charge all of this.


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[swake]

Unless Kaiser picks up The Artist's Cathedral Square idea.

Considering he's Jewish, you might be waiting awhile. Who's our resident Catholic billionaire?

[davideinstein]

Downtown has a 97% occupancy rate right now. It's only a matter of time before the parking lots are buildings.

[jacobi]

Downtown has a 97% occupancy rate right now. It's only a matter of time before the parking lots are buildings.

Isn't that 97% only the class A stock?  I think the class B and under will have to come up (or convert to residential) in order to start seeing earth turning on the crater.


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