Clear Water Carwash on Cherry Street....

[SXSW]

Glad to see 2 stories but also wish they could just have parking to the north and not have to add more along St Louis.  FWIW the rendering in the PUD application doesn't look like an Abuelo's but who knows. 

This was one of the last really under-utilized parcels in Cherry St.  The other ones are the parking lots at Lincoln Square in front of Jason's Deli/Chimi's and the empty lot that Bumgarner owns (or owned?) at 14th & Utica.  I'll throw the A&W/Long John Silver at Peoria in there too.

As for hotels, I agree it's puzzling that there isn't one in midtown.  I'd like to see something like a Westin or JW Marriott on the H&P property by St John/Utica Square.  Great views from that spot.

[Conan71]

Any visual for the site plan?  It sounds like a good deal.  Up to the sidewalk, office space included.  Parking is necessary because Cherry Street draws from a wide area, glad to see its in the back consistent with the rest of the neighborhood.  I jog through Cherry Street quite often and it gets busy with cars and can be difficult to cross sometimes, but drivers seem to be pretty good about obeying crosswalks and allowing people to cross.  I really hope its something other than an Abuelos.

Cherry Street now needs a hotel.  I live very close and I hate that when family and friends visit they have to stay somewhere farther away (my home is small and they generally prefer hotels to my couch).

What has happened to the Savoy near 6th & Peoria?  Is it still a going hotel/short term stay or whatever it was?  i never hear anything about it

[sgrizzle]

What has happened to the Savoy near 6th & Peoria?  Is it still a going hotel/short term stay or whatever it was?  i never hear anything about it

Seemingly closed.

I wish TMAPC/our council would drop parking requirements and/or get 1-2 parking structures in the area.

[SXSW]

Hotel Savoy closed?  If so I imagine it would be a good candidate for an apartment/condo conversion.  I had forgotten about the Campbell Hotel on 11th.

The one good thing about seeing a near buildout on Cherry St is that hopefully we won't see more parking lots encroach into the neighborhood unless there is some larger scale redevelopment.  I really want to see a better streetscape on 15th with more ped crossings, that is a big issue, and more shade trees planted.  That western sun can be brutal during the summer.

[Conan71]

No updates to their Facebook page in a couple of years.  There's a review on Trip Advisor from someone who stayed there in December of 2011, and last FB posts were in Jan. of 2012.

That could be a great opportunity for someone as the Pearl continues to gentrify. 

[DowntownDan]

This really should complete the street.  The carwash really was out of place.  I really like the renderings.  All the area needs now is a mixed use development that includes a hotel at the 14th and Utica lot.

[nathanm]

111 parking spaces for a restaurant and 9,000sf of office space? That is patently ridiculous. I'm quite pleased that it will be behind the building, but all that is really accomplishing in this case is blighting the residential neighborhood along St. Louis instead of 15th Street. Given that St. Louis is the street that goes under the highway, it seems like it ought to be one we focus on keeping pedestrian friendly. Hot expanses of asphalt are not pedestrian friendly. Nor is it particularly kind to the neighbor across the street who instead of facing a home will be facing a parking lot and the wonder of headlights beaming in their windows at all hours.

I'm not saying that zero parking is appropriate, but it seems like the vacant lot behind the car wash, which they are also converting to parking, would be sufficient. A client of mine owns a very similar building on Dickson Street in Fayetteville. They have a similar amount of parking to what I'm talking about and seem to do just fine.

If they really feel like they need 111 spaces, they could put some of them underneath the building and raise the structure by 10 feet or so. If the zoning code requires 111 spaces, we need to get out our torches and pitchforks.

[SXSW]

If they really feel like they need 111 spaces, they could put some of them underneath the building and raise the structure by 10 feet or so. If the zoning code requires 111 spaces, we need to get out our torches and pitchforks.

This where a modified zoning code for certain areas of the city, like Cherry Street and Brookside, would be good to have so that the neighborhoods surrounding these corridors are protected and parking requirements set for more suburban areas aren't applied to an urban district.  It won't save this site plan, unless the planning board denies it, but if such a code is put in place it could lead to the eventual redevelopment of some of these parking areas since the parking minimums would be lower.  I agree I hate to see St Louis with less density since it's an important connector between Cherry St and Hillcrest/Forest Orchard to the north.

Outside of 14th & Utica what other areas could potentially be redeveloped requiring more parking intrusion into the neighborhood?  Lincoln Park is good candidate and the only place so could realistically see some kind of structured parking if the lots along 15th are developed.  Maybe the Subway that has the parking in front.

[sgrizzle]

If the zoning code requires 111 spaces, we need to get out our torches and pitchforks.

Need a light?

[nathanm]

Need a light?

Apparently. If all 18,500sf of the building were one or more restaurants, it would require 185 parking spaces, which would take up more than 8 times the footprint of the building itself. It's like our intention is in fact to make it impossible to keep our city from going in the crapper.

[sgrizzle]

Apparently. If all 18,500sf of the building were one or more restaurants, it would require 185 parking spaces, which would take up more than 8 times the footprint of the building itself. It's like our intention is in fact to make it impossible to keep our city from going in the crapper.

We need to lower parking requirements citywide by some decent percentage. Maybe a tiered level like 50 for the first 5,000sqft, 40 for the next 5,000, etc.

[TheArtist]

We need to lower parking requirements citywide by some decent percentage. Maybe a tiered level like 50 for the first 5,000sqft, 40 for the next 5,000, etc.

One would think that "bad government telling businesses and property owners what to do" Republicans would be all for getting rid of minimum parking requirements all together.

[Breadburner]

This isn't going to a chain.....

[davideinstein]

This parking issue is ruining Tulsa.

[BKDotCom]

This parking issue is ruining Tulsa.

Would nice if we could have a reasonable requirement... or even progressive one.
We already know the current car/sqr-footage requirement is excessively high and counter to walkability and density

I don't think I've ever factored in how much parking a city or destination has when planning a vacation.   If it's worth visiting, parking is probably a pain.
Which comes first:   cool destination, or nowhere to park, or just good city planning and codes?

Not to get too sci-fi.. it's looking like driverless cars will be here in my lifetime.   Will we still need a bunch of nearby surface parking when our cars can drop us off at the door and go park themselves a half mile away?    The rest of the country will be using teleportation and we will still have minimum parking space requirements.