Fallins signs ban for minimum wage increases by cities

[swake]

No, it's because we are growing so fast in a market with low unemployment. All of our current spots are filled, we're hiring for our two new stores. The most my managers work in a week is 53 hours. You're doing math on the very, very low end (no one at my store makes that low of pay) and with completely ignorance to the fact that 25% of the store profit goes back to the pockets of the managers on top of the salary. Literally no one has issues with their pay at my store. If someone was making $8.00 as a sandwich maker they can just run a few deliveries (60-70% are within walking distance). It happened today. A guy popped off of making sandwiches, ran a few deliveries and made $15 in tips on top of his hourly rate. He worked a three hour shift. That's $13/hour he just made.

A whole $13 dollars an hour? $27k a year wow? with what outstanding benes? Oh, none? That rocks.

[davideinstein]

Did he walk on those deliveries?  If not - as in drove his car - then he had a net loss for the day.

My example was someone that walked. There would be no net loss if he drove either.

[davideinstein]

A whole $13 dollars an hour? $27k a year wow? with what outstanding benes? Oh, none? That rocks.

$13/hour for a college kid only working 15-20 hours is pretty kick donkey actually.

[Conan71]

$13/hour for a college kid only working 15-20 hours is pretty kick donkey actually.

Not a bad gig for part time. 

There is a time and place for part time work and wages, folks.  Like when you are working on a degree to actually EARN more money for the rest of your life.

[heironymouspasparagus]

My example was someone that walked. There would be no net loss if he drove either.

Walking is good.

Do you own a car??

Totally different - I almost got run off the road tonight by a Papa John's driver (from BA at 81st and 145th East Avenue).  As he blew by me and then moved over into the lane in front of me (couldn't see his tail lights for a second or two, he came in so close), I noticed the massive cloud of smoke in the car from his cigarette smoking....  Had it been my pizza, I know I would have smelled the smoke and would then have let him take it back with him.  Guess I will continue not buying their product.... notice I didn't say 'food', since that act takes it out of the realm of food as far as I am concerned.

[patric]

Oklahoma's Governor Has Quietly Passed a Bill With Devastating Consequences for Young People

Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin signed a bill last Monday banning cities in the state from establishing a mandatory minimum wage or requiring employers to provide a mandatory minimum number of paid sick or leave days. Any existing or future ordinances regarding these issues would be considered null and void.

With this perfunctory stroke of her pen, Fallin claimed that raising the minimum wage would "drive businesses to other communities and states and would raise prices for consumers." The conservative governor, elected in 2010, went on to assert that most minimum wage-earners are "young, single people working part-time or entry-level jobs."

Unfortunately, that's not exactly accurate, governor. And even if it were, do young, single people not deserve a living wage? Regardless, the following are a few important facts Fallin and her advisers apparently failed to recognize — or perhaps, willfully ignored — during the minimum-wage debate::

http://www.policymic.com/articles/87831/oklahoma-s-governor-has-quietly-passed-a-bill-with-devastating-consequences-for-young-people

[AquaMan]

Its what happens when dogma replaces thoughtful analysis and reasoning.

Conservatives have a system of beliefs that favors capital over labor, therefore any wage increase, unionization or protection of employees must automatically be deemed counterproductive, socialist or in the words of their congressional leader, ".....that there's a JOB KILLER!!"

[Conan71]

Guys, sweeping up cigarette butts in the Burger King parking lot has never been considered a "living wage" sort of job, because it's never been intended to be a career destination.  Why should that change now? 

[AquaMan]

That logic could transfer to a lot of issues. Change would never occur because the premise is considered unassailable. Who do you think champions such thinking? Keeping wages low is not good business when productivity has risen.

Who was president the last time the minimum wage was increased?

[sgrizzle]

Who was president the last time the minimum wage was increased?

Obama (It was last raised to $7.25 on 7-24-2009)

[heironymouspasparagus]

Guys, sweeping up cigarette butts in the Burger King parking lot has never been considered a "living wage" sort of job, because it's never been intended to be a career destination.  Why should that change now? 

As I have said before - there is no job in this country that is not worth $10 an hour - or more.  If a company feels some effort is worth less, they should not be doing it - or use their 'management brain/training' (isn't management the highly skilled, highly talented force worth 500 times the lowest paid employee??)  to figure out a more efficient/effective/productive way of doing it.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I have only started looking into some of the clowns that want to be governor, and this is very preliminary, but this one seems to be less "Failin' Palin" than most....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Dorman

[AquaMan]

Obama (It was last raised to $7.25 on 7-24-2009)

Accurate but not exactly correct. It was 1997 and had provisions for raises through 2009. Nothing since then. (My question was not any better! I should have asked when the last time the minimum wage law was amended.)

"The 1996 amendments increased the minimum wage to $4.75 an hour on October 1, 1996, and to $5.15 an hour on September 1, 1997. The amendments also established a youth sub minimum wage of $4.25 an hour for newly hired employees under age 20 during their first 90 consecutive calendar days after being hired by their employer; revised the tip credit provisions to allow employers to pay qualifying tipped employees no less than $2.13 per hour if they received the remainder of the statutory minimum wage in tips; set the hourly compensation test for qualifying computer related professional employees at $27.63 an hour; and amended the Portal-to-Portal Act to allow employers and employees to agree on the use of employer provided vehicles for commuting to and from work, at the beginning and end of the work day, without counting the commuting time as compensable working time if certain conditions are met.
The 2007 amendments increased the minimum wage to $5.85 per hour effective July 24, 2007; $6.55 per hour effective July 24, 2008; and $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009. A separate provision of the bill brings about phased increases to the minimum wages in the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands and in American Samoa, with the goal of bringing the minimum wages in those locations up to the general federal minimum wage over a number of years."

No one considers the minimum wage a living wage and it was never designed to be that. However, it keeps heartless, short sighted employers from taking advantage of low level, low skill, low education employees regardless of their productivity. Efforts have been made to tailor the wage levels depending on youth, tips and even skilled workers over the years. Alas, no one with the anti-minimum wage mentality has taken note.

[nathanm]

Guys, sweeping up cigarette butts in the Burger King parking lot has never been considered a "living wage" sort of job, because it's never been intended to be a career destination.  Why should that change now? 

It shouldn't, but it did. Middle class jobs at middle class wages have been disappearing and are being replaced by the sort of job you are describing. Employment in food service and retail have grown wildly relative to the rest of the economy. Most of the good jobs that disappeared due to the recent unpleasantness (and in the 30 years previously when we were losing middle wage manufacturing) never reappeared.

The job market is certainly not what it was 30 years ago, it's not even what it was 10 years ago, and the shift to low wage transient employment was already well underway by then. There's a reason why underemployment is still near an all time high. There simply aren't enough middle wage jobs to go around, even for those with college degrees.

[heironymouspasparagus]

No one considers the minimum wage a living wage and it was never designed to be that. However, it keeps heartless, short sighted employers from taking advantage of low level, low skill, low education employees regardless of their productivity. Efforts have been made to tailor the wage levels depending on youth, tips and even skilled workers over the years. Alas, no one with the anti-minimum wage mentality has taken note.

And even with the design, it never stops the truly criminal from their heinous abominations - as evidenced by John Pickle Company right here in "River City"....