Shotgun Sams

[sgrizzle]

Opens tomorrow...

Say Whaaaaaaaaa?

https://www.facebook.com/shotgunsamspizzapalace

[heironymouspasparagus]

That might be interesting.... wonder how they got the recipes?  Or just "winging" it from memory....

[Conan71]

Therein lies the danger in resurrecting an old brand.  Customers will rely on their taste memory from 30 years ago as a comparison. 

You could go directly from the original recipe and half the people would say it's nowhere close to the original.

Shotgun Sam's was pretty much like Crystals, I don't recall anything that special about the food, it was just a fun place for families to go eat.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Therein lies the danger in resurrecting an old brand.  Customers will rely on their taste memory from 30 years ago as a comparison. 

You could go directly from the original recipe and half the people would say it's nowhere close to the original.

Shotgun Sam's was pretty much like Crystals, I don't recall anything that special about the food, it was just a fun place for families to go eat.

It was more like Shakey's, to me.  Never did like Crystal's that much, but didn't seem to be that big a difference in taste, so maybe it was the ambience (sp?).  Always like SS building - "felt" comfortable.  Will have to try it - see if their "new Coke" is as good as the "old Coke"....

[DTowner]

Therein lies the danger in resurrecting an old brand.  Customers will rely on their taste memory from 30 years ago as a comparison. 

You could go directly from the original recipe and half the people would say it's nowhere close to the original.

Shotgun Sam's was pretty much like Crystals, I don't recall anything that special about the food, it was just a fun place for families to go eat.

Not only that, but the quality of pizza in Tulsa and people's expectations for it have evolved significantly over the past 30 years.   Chasing a fading memory is usually a bad business plan.

[Conan71]

It was more like Shakey's, to me.  Never did like Crystal's that much, but didn't seem to be that big a difference in taste, so maybe it was the ambience (sp?).  Always like SS building - "felt" comfortable.  Will have to try it - see if their "new Coke" is as good as the "old Coke"....

I still remember Shakey's on Brookside.  We loved to go there.  Of course, my memory of 40 years ago swears it was the best cheese pizza ever. 

Here's a nice piece on them plus one of their menus from the 1960's on Batesline:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2014/02/pizza-in-tulsa-shakeys-menu-summ.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

I still remember Shakey's on Brookside.  We loved to go there.  Of course, my memory of 40 years ago swears it was the best cheese pizza ever. 

Here's a nice piece on them plus one of their menus from the 1960's on Batesline:

http://www.batesline.com/archives/2014/02/pizza-in-tulsa-shakeys-menu-summ.html

Went to Shakey's on Admiral - I think that eventually turned into a hamburger joint with phones at table for ordering...??  That plus Ken's at 15th and Sheridan (other side of street), and Shotgun Sam's was way too many choices for what we thought was good pizza.  Then there was the "new" King's Food Host at 31st and Sheridan....   Since the appetites were insatiable, we always had to pick up a lot of pop bottles to afford to eat....before going home for dinner!  (Jobs would cover car expenses and clothes - eating out and money for dates was supplied by pop bottles.)

[sgrizzle]

I don't know if I ever went there. Now I can go and tell you that it tastes no different than I remember.

[Conan71]

Went to Shakey's on Admiral - I think that eventually turned into a hamburger joint with phones at table for ordering...??  That plus Ken's at 15th and Sheridan (other side of street), and Shotgun Sam's was way too many choices for what we thought was good pizza.  Then there was the "new" King's Food Host at 31st and Sheridan....   Since the appetites were insatiable, we always had to pick up a lot of pop bottles to afford to eat....before going home for dinner!  (Jobs would cover car expenses and clothes - eating out and money for dates was supplied by pop bottles.)

Ma Bell's is likely what you are remembering on Admiral.  I think they had another at 51st & Harvard, and maybe a third or fourth location.

King's had phones in the booths as well.  My brother and I would sneak off and crank call the kitchen.  It would piss them off something terrible.

In my frog voice I used to do: "One fartburger please..."

[heironymouspasparagus]

Ma Bell's is likely what you are remembering on Admiral.  I think they had another at 51st & Harvard, and maybe a third or fourth location.

King's had phones in the booths as well.  My brother and I would sneak off and crank call the kitchen.  It would piss them off something terrible.

In my frog voice I used to do: "One fartburger please..."

That is one!  Seems like there were two before they figured out it wasn't gonna fly.

[patric]

No go for the opening time; city inspector didnt like the ceiling tiles.

[Townsend]

No go for the opening time; city inspector didnt like the ceiling tiles.

 

[heironymouspasparagus]

King's had phones in the booths as well.  My brother and I would sneak off and crank call the kitchen.  It would piss them off something terrible.

Didn't ask for the Cheese Frenchee??


Guess I am gonna have to make my way to Bismarck, ND.....

http://www.bismarckcafe.com/blogs/1392/what-ever-happened-to-kings-food-host

[sgrizzle]

[heironymouspasparagus]

I never had those kind of problems with the Health Department.  Actually, they have been helpful with insight and information on how to not only make a safe food product, but how to approach/design/build the infrastructure.   I also knew enough to glue the wall panels soundly to the wall ahead of time - before inspection.  And the vent hood - well they gave me options, some of which were less rigorous than what I ended up with, just to make other design elements work better (related to makeup air flow to the space).

Due diligence in reading the code requirements would have told them that unpainted wood is not permitted, unless it is maple specifically designed for food contact.  And did the comment mean to say it was treated wood??  Just what I want in the food zone - chemically treated wood designed to kill stuff....

Was the place ready for operation 4 weeks ago?  (And if so, why not open then??)   If not, then no inspection is meaningful - it is required, by definition on the facility as intended to operate.  4 weeks ago that was probably not exactly how even they wanted to operate.

I was really looking forward to this opening....the apparent lack of attention to detail is disturbing, especially since ALL of these things are specifically defined in the code they should have read and paid attention to.   Cutting these corners leads to questions about what other corners have been cut?