Bergdahl Prisoner Swap

[guido911]

[guido911]

Well this is great to hear. But its from that redneck Jake Tapper, so take with grain of salt.

(CNN) - Former Army Sgt. Evan Buetow was the team leader with Bowe Bergdahl the night Bergdahl disappeared.

"Bergdahl is a deserter, and he's not a hero," says Buetow. "He needs to answer for what he did."

Within days of his disappearance, says Buetow, teams monitoring radio chatter and cell phone communications intercepted an alarming message: The American is in Yahya Khel (a village two miles away). He's looking for someone who speaks English so he can talk to the Taliban.

"I heard it straight from the interpreter's lips as he heard it over the radio," said Buetow. "There's a lot more to this story than a soldier walking away."

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/03/team-leader-bowe-bergdahl-wanted-to-talk-to-taliban/

[Gaspar]

With each new piece of info, it becomes more probable that Bergdahl is a token.  Either there was some very important information/clandestine asset traded, or this was the most amazing example of administrative incompetence ever.  Either way, the attempt to do it publicly and use the opportunity as another PR deflection was unwise.

[Townsend]

Everyone was celebrating until it was realized this could be used for political fodder.

That's when the conservative side started yelling "traitor", "deserter", "no honor".

"We love the military personnel until it means we might get bruised for supporting someone."

"The VA?  Politics?  What should we say?  Who should we blame so it doesn't land in our laps?"

"Yay, we all freed a hero from 5 years of captivity!  Wait...we're spinning it that he's a deserter so the administration doesn't look historic?  He's a traitor!  A Deserter!  We need to attack his family next!  Obama's not even a real American citizen!"

[Conan71]

Everyone was celebrating until it was realized this could be used for political fodder.

That's when the conservative side started yelling "traitor", "deserter", "no honor".

"We love the military personnel until it means we might get bruised for supporting someone."

"The VA?  Politics?  What should we say?  Who should we blame so it doesn't land in our laps?"

"Yay, we all freed a hero from 5 years of captivity!  Wait...we're spinning it that he's a deserter so the administration doesn't look historic?  He's a traitor!  A Deserter!  We need to attack his family next!  Obama's not even a real American citizen!"

No, it was other members of Bergdahl's unit who came forward with information about his desertion it's not like this is loose speculation put out there by GOP operatives or made up by someone at Faux Snooze.  People who actually served with him and can attest to his record.

I'm concerned about the president's National Security Advisor either outright lying about Bergdahl's record when she was praising his service or not being fully briefed on his record in the first place prior to this trade.

[Townsend]

No, it was other members of Bergdahl's unit who came forward with information about his desertion it's not like this is loose speculation put out there by GOP operatives or made up by someone at Faux Snooze.  People who actually served with him and can attest to his record.

I'm concerned about the president's National Security Advisor either outright lying about Bergdahl's record when she was praising his service or not being fully briefed on his record in the first place prior to this trade.

The rats jumped ship as soon as one of them spoke though.  He's not even been tried.  They were screaming his praises and then defecating on him in a blink of an eye.

Inhofe sure went batshit cra cra.  "It's the President's conspiracy."

I'd guess everyone singing his praises were jumping on the political bandwagon as well.  When it goes awry, that's when they use their hired spin doctors.

[Hoss]

The rats jumped ship as soon as one of them spoke though.  He's not even been tried.  They were screaming his praises and then defecating on him in a blink of an eye.

Inhofe sure went batshit cra cra.  "It's the President's conspiracy."

I'd guess everyone singing his praises were jumping on the political bandwagon as well.  When it goes awry, that's when they use their hired spin doctors.

Like I said, this could be a solution.

Have the President publicly come out in support of oxygen.  His detractors would say 'no oxygen for me'.  Problem solved.

The loonies have truly taken over the asylum.

[Townsend]

The loonies have truly taken over the asylum.

Look to your left.   Now look to your right.  If those persons voted at all, they are prob responsible for many of the loonies in power.

If they didn't vote, I blame them just as much.

[Conan71]

The rats jumped ship as soon as one of them spoke though.  He's not even been tried.  They were screaming his praises and then defecating on him in a blink of an eye.

Inhofe sure went batshit cra cra.  "It's the President's conspiracy."

I'd guess everyone singing his praises were jumping on the political bandwagon as well.  When it goes awry, that's when they use their hired spin doctors.

Here's that batcrap crazy DiFi being all partisan on the issue:

The firestorm surrounding the Obama administration's decisions to allow five high level Taliban members to go free in exchange for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl without the consent of Congress continues to rage on Capitol Hill. As the details of what many see as a bad deal continue to emerge, with many of Bergdahl's fellow soldiers expressing anger and outrage over him being welcomed home as a deserter, many lawmakers are questioning the legality of the swap.

One of those lawmakers is Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Two top lawmakers on the Senate Intelligence Committee said Tuesday that the Obama administration broke the law by not informing Congress before the prisoner exchange that resulted in Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release.

Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss said the administration violated the law by failing to address serious concerns they had about the deal to swap Bergdahl for five Taliban detainees. Chambliss said he had not had a conversation with the White House about a possible exchange for at least 18 months.

"It comes to us with some surprise and dismay that the transfers went ahead with no consultation, totally not following law," Feinstein told reporters following a closed door meeting. "And in an issue with this kind of concern to a committee that bears the oversight responsibility, I think you can see that we're very dismayed about it ."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/06/04/watch-bergdahls-fellow-soldiers-parents-of-those-killed-seaching-for-him-react-to-prisoner-swap-n1847494

[Hoss]

Look to your left.   Now look to your right.  If those persons voted at all, they are prob responsible for many of the loonies in power.

If they didn't vote, I blame them just as much.

I voted.  It's just the way I vote never represents me in Oklahoma.  Not complaining, just stating how it is.  I used to not cringe because there were many Republicans I'd vote for (Largent used to always get my vote until he decided to call Oklahoma voters stupid).  I can't bring myself to vote for any of them now.  Not until someone starts making sense and, in the words of their own Bobby Jindal, 'stop being the stupid party'.  The sanist Republican in Oklahoma right now is Tom Cole.  That means he'll likely get voted out/primaried due to his liberal (aka moderative conservative) 'values'.

Most national Republicans don't seem to have learned the lesson of 2012 I guess.  They appear to be alienating the same demographic they stated they needed to win the Presidency again.

[Townsend]

Here's that batcrap crazy DiFi being all partisan on the issue:

So are you pointing out that a democrat doesn't find it necessary to kowtow to the crazies?

I'm sure everyone will do their best to figure out which way will get the best support from lobby firms and donations to the war chests.

An individual soldier won't matter.  It'll be the election issues.

[Conan71]

So are you pointing out that a democrat doesn't find it necessary to kowtow to the crazies?

I'm sure everyone will do their best to figure out which way will get the best support from lobby firms and donations to the war chests.

An individual soldier won't matter.  It'll be the election issues.

I guess I'm missing something.  How is it kowtowing to the crazies when you correctly point out a few salient facts:

-The Obama Administration circumvented/ignored/broke a Federal law that the President himself had signed off on.
-This was a lop-sided trade.  Why did we trade five known terrorists for one soldier?
-Why did the administration cover up Bergdahl's history when it's become apparent the DOD concluded he was a deserter as far back as 2010 and was not an asset we should recover?

Maybe you and Hoss have become so politically jaded that you assume any criticism is entirely from spite instead of being an honest appraisal of a job not being done competently.

[Hoss]

I guess I'm missing something.  How is it kowtowing to the crazies when you correctly point out a few salient facts:

-The Obama Administration circumvented/ignored/broke a Federal law that the President himself had signed off on.
-This was a lop-sided trade.  Why did we trade five known terrorists for one soldier?
-Why did the administration cover up Bergdahl's history when it's become apparent the DOD concluded he was a deserter as far back as 2010 and was not an asset we should recover?

Maybe you and Hoss have become so politically jaded that you assume any criticism is entirely from spite instead of being an honest appraisal of a job not being done competently.

Sounds like you might want to join your fellow clairvoyants, Scott and Tony.

I think the word is actually politically cynical.  I'm sick of the crazy from both sides.  It's just that one side of the aisle seems to be hogging all the cray cray since oh, about 2008.

Last I checked the Democrats weren't imploding internally.

I think Jon Stewart summed it up perfectly last night:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/5vv3v2/a-magnificent--wonderful-story

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/1jh7tu/a-magnificent--complicated-clouded-controversial-story

And of course, as is many Republican's modus operandi, once they offered congratulations and other thoughtful sentiments on social media, they had to walk it back (aka delete) those praises once the spin machine got going

http://mashable.com/2014/06/03/republicans-delete-bowe-bergdahl-praise/

[Townsend]

I guess I'm missing something.  How is it kowtowing to the crazies when you correctly point out a few salient facts:

-The Obama Administration circumvented/ignored/broke a Federal law that the President himself had signed off on.
-This was a lop-sided trade.  Why did we trade five known terrorists for one soldier?
-Why did the administration cover up Bergdahl's history when it's become apparent the DOD concluded he was a deserter as far back as 2010 and was not an asset we should recover?

Maybe you and Hoss have become so politically jaded that you assume any criticism is entirely from spite instead of being an honest appraisal of a job not being done competently.

She didn't kowtow to the crazies...I was making fun of the tea party soothers.  (GOP who make overly conservative decisions in order to sooth the tea party)

The President also noted, while signing that law, that it would not always be followed.  Apparently that's all it took to give him the power to do this.  (per NPR story this morning)

Will those 5 be active in terrorizing?  Will they want to join or be allowed to join a terrorist org?  Are they young enough to make a difference?  If you know those answers, let everyone know.

How many would you want to trade for an American prisoner?  What's the cut off?

I don't know why someone would choose to cover anything up unless it was good for them politically.

I know I'm jaded.  I think most of us are.  Most political opinions are from spite because very few know enough to give an educated and honest appraisal.

[guido911]

Sounds like you might want to join your fellow clairvoyants, Scott and Tony.

Do you think its cool to call people by their first names in here? You do not know me, nor do I care to know you.