Bergdahl Prisoner Swap

[guido911]

Ms. Molehill is weighing in.

Sondra Andrews' son, 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews, is one of six soldiers killed reportedly while searching for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.

The sergeant's return to captivity has stirred "very raw emotions."

"It gets really hurtful when I think, this guy was worth my son's life? My son who was patriotic? Who was a true soldier? Who defended his country with his life?" Andrews told Army Times via phone on Monday. "That guy was worth that? I don't think so."

Andrews also was upset to hear the U.S. government agreed to release five prisoners from Guantanamo Bay in exchange for Bergdahl's freedom.

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140602/NEWS/306020055/Gold-Star-mom-guy-worth-my-son-s-life-

[guido911]

Right. Bergdahl is being "swiftboated".

[Townsend]

Ms. Molehill is weighing in.

http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140602/NEWS/306020055/Gold-Star-mom-guy-worth-my-son-s-life-

I'm not trying to start a debate, I'm asking.

Is it certain the 6 soldiers were killed while searching for Bergdahl?  I'd heard this was not known.

[guido911]

I'm not trying to start a debate, I'm asking.

Is it certain the 6 soldiers were killed while searching for Bergdahl?  I'd heard this was not known.

There is a debate about that, at least from what I heard from the NYT. The families sure as smile think so. Here's a story from the Daily Beast on the subject.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/04/the-hero-who-died-looking-for-bowe-bergdahl.html

[Townsend]

There is a debate about that, at least from what I heard from the NYT. The families sure as smile think so. Here's a story from the Daily Beast on the subject.

I think it should be made sure of. 

If Bergdahl is a deserter or not, he should not be made responsible for 6 deaths if they were not killed looking for him.  They were killed in the line of duty and for that I have the utmost respect as should everyone.  They should not be used by any party to move an agenda.

The general public should reign in the hatred and the families should be informed.

[guido911]

I think it should be made sure of. 

If Bergdahl is a deserter or not, he should not be made responsible for 6 deaths if they were not killed looking for him.  They were killed in the line of duty and for that I have the utmost respect as should everyone.  They should not be used by any party to move an agenda.

The general public should reign in the hatred and the families should be informed.

[Townsend]

You say it's obvious in your normal manner but the politicos and news agencies don't seem to agree.

You complain about comments on threads like you're on your period and then post like a pizza supreme a**hole.

Have fun in your mental state.  It's gotta be creepy in there.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Ah yes. The "faux outrage". Just listen to these conservatives ripping your man-child

And what you are reading in this forum from the usual suspects is what I often call illustrations of "honor" and "character". Words many in here would not ascribe to you.

And where was that "honor" and "character" when Baby Bush was pulling his adventures in lying, cheating, and distortion??


Faux outrage.


As far as all the "breaking the law" nonsense being spewed - well there is plenty of public record of discussions with Congress through Dec 2012 about this very topic of prisoner exchange.  The law says notice must be given 30 days ahead of time.  18 months certainly qualifies.  Unless the Republicontins have another agenda than truth, honor and character....

[guido911]

You say it's obvious in your normal manner but the politicos and news agencies don't seem to agree.

You complain about comments on threads like you're on your period and then post like a pizza supreme a**hole.

Have fun in your mental state.  It's gotta be creepy in there.

You call me creepy after your misogynist "period" comment? And I'm telling Hoss about your name calling. Nudge him and let him know I'll be calling.

[heironymouspasparagus]

With each new piece of info, it becomes more probable that Bergdahl is a token.  Either there was some very important information/clandestine asset traded, or this was the most amazing example of administrative incompetence ever.  Either way, the attempt to do it publicly and use the opportunity as another PR deflection was unwise.

Whew!  My head is spinning right now!  A rational thought and expression of same!  Good for you!!


This was to get the POW back before we leave completely at the end of the year, and we are "forced" by our own definitions of "enemy combatant" to release all of them anyway....unless the Republicontins in Congress can get the Dems to go along with extending the incarceration - not likely at this point or that.  How would they justify holding senior "officials" of a government without trial of a government we are likely to have diplomatic relations with??  It's just another cheap shot attempt by MurdochianWorld to take pot shots.


So, these guys are gonna be released either now or 6 months from now.  And if this "trade" had not been made, what leverage would be left with the Taliban as they take over power again to get this guy back??   Still waiting to hear an in depth rational discussion about that....   which ain't gonna happen.


Very good start, Gas!  I appreciate this display of a glimmer of hope for you!!

[heironymouspasparagus]

No, it was other members of Bergdahl's unit who came forward with information about his desertion it's not like this is loose speculation put out there by GOP operatives or made up by someone at Faux Snooze.  People who actually served with him and can attest to his record.

You mean like the "Swift Boat Teabaggers" going after Kerry??  Oh, wait - they didn't serve with Kerry...  oops!

All this information is apparently already being distorted by the media PR firm spewing it around - at least two of the soldiers that were supposed to have been killed "out looking" for Bergdahl were actually sitting in the compound....NOT out looking for him.  Wouldn't it be nice if there could be some reality first....psychotic ranting second....?

[guido911]

And where was that "honor" and "character" when Baby Bush was pulling his adventures in lying, cheating, and distortion??


Faux outrage.


As far as all the "breaking the law" nonsense being spewed - well there is plenty of public record of discussions with Congress through Dec 2012 about this very topic of prisoner exchange.  The law says notice must be given 30 days ahead of time.  18 months certainly qualifies.  Unless the Republicontins have another agenda than truth, honor and character....

Hard to take you seriously when you make whatever point with "baby Bush". But since we have to talk about Bush in this thread about a prisoner swap that occurred almost 6 years after he left office, can we discuss Carter's handling of the Iranian hostage crisis too? I still have questions about that. I am also concerned about Clinton. What did he know and when did he know it about bin Laden. Lots of questions about why we were not more aggressive in getting him. And how I wish "daddy" Bush would have went all the way to Baghdad and toppled Saddam at the end of the Gulf war. Could have avoided the 2003 invasion altogether. And don't get me started about Truman, and whether we should have dropped the bombs. We should have invaded the Japanese mainland instead. And why did Lincoln suspend writs of habeas corpus?

[Townsend]

You call me creepy after your misogynist "period" comment?

I didn't say you were creepy.  I said, "Have fun in your mental state.  It's gotta be creepy in there."

Reading comprehension.

[guido911]

You mean like the "Swift Boat Teabaggers" going after Kerry??  Oh, wait - they didn't serve with Kerry...  oops!

All this information is apparently already being distorted by the media PR firm spewing it around - at least two of the soldiers that were supposed to have been killed "out looking" for Bergdahl were actually sitting in the compound....NOT out looking for him.  Wouldn't it be nice if there could be some reality first....psychotic ranting second....?

Which two soldiers are you talking about? I am reading between 6 and 14 soldiers may have died in the search. Anyway, if only 1 or 2 died looking for a possible deserter, that's fair. For now, I should be comfortable just ignoring the words of the actual soldiers that went looking for Bergdahl, or the families that were told their loved ones died looking for him. What do they know.

[Townsend]

Which two soldiers are you talking about? I am reading between 6 and 14 soldiers may have died in the search. Anyway, if only 1 or 2 died looking for a possible deserter, that's fair. For now, I should be comfortable just ignoring the words of the actual soldiers that went looking for Bergdahl, or the families that were told their loved ones died looking for him. What do they know.

Reading from what?  One of your 100% dependable websites?

Died in the line of duty?  It's sad what you imply.

Are you sure these are the words of actual soldiers that went looking for Bergdahl?

Are you hearing 2nd or third hand at best about the families?  Any slant where you're getting your info?