Iraq Reverts

[RecycleMichael]

ISIS has created a very odd group of allies to stop them. They are a separatist group splintered off of Al Qaeda and a threat to stability throughout the Muslim world. A lot of countries and Middle East leaders want them stopped

We are but a bit player in this so far. I hope the President can keep it this way. Yes, it is dangerous to work with former enemies and I don't trust many of the groups we are talking to. Maybe this can lead to improved relations in that part of the world.

This isn't just a terrorist group. They are a full blown military. That might make them easier to identify and defeat.

[Gaspar]

Maybe this can lead to improved relations in that part of the world.

Peace through weapons sales.  We've never really made that work.

[Hoss]

Peace through weapons sales.  We've never really made that work.

Peace in the Middle East.  That's never really worked either.

I grow weary of the US being the World Police.  If they are a DIRECT threat to the US and/or it's citizens, then so be it, but measure the response, please.  It stands to history that 'shock and awe' only works for so long.

[Gaspar]

Peace in the Middle East.  That's never really worked either.

I grow weary of the US being the World Police.  If they are a DIRECT threat to the US and/or it's citizens, then so be it, but measure the response, please.  It stands to history that 'shock and awe' only works for so long.

Actually, history shows that we can either commit 100% or 0%.  If we try to contain or manage, we end up with prolonged and expensive military involvement that ultimately results in failure, and furthers the cause of our enemies. 

Our choice is to take on ISIS as an enemy, and utterly destroy them, or to withdraw from the region and allow these factions to sort out their own issues.  Any half-donkey attempts will produce half-donkey results, as Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, and Bush learned.

Unfortunately our weak messaging has positioned us (politically) so that we cannot withdraw, therefore our only choice for success is to utterly destroy ISIS.  Leaving any of the tumor intact will lead to metastasis. . .It always does.

[Gaspar]

Really hitting the fan today. This is Tim Arango of the New York Times explaining why we are here today with Iraq.

[Conan71]

[Gaspar]

BREAKING:  The Obama administration has identified the "moderate" Syrian rebel and will arm him.  His name is Abu.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Yep!  That's kinda the whole problem with the lack of leadership we have been saddled with for so long. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

Just finished listening.... will continuation of this thread be adequate or do we need a new one for Obama Iraq??


We shall see....I am still skeptical.  Will be watching closely at 8:45 tomorrow morning.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Funny....


Megyn doing her Ann Coulter thing.  Dana Perino trying to get credit for Baby Bush for phrases used by Presidents for many decades!  Well, at least they are sounding almost mildly rational....  almost.

[Ed W]

I've read that ISIS is largely financed through oil sales. Who are they selling to, and how are they transporting it? It would seem obvious that applying pressure to the buyers - whether they're corporations or states - would dry up the money supply. And the means of transport would have to be either trucks or pipelines, both vulnerable to air attack.

But we're Americans, and anything that disrupts the steady flow of oil is heresy.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I've read that ISIS is largely financed through oil sales. Who are they selling to, and how are they transporting it? It would seem obvious that applying pressure to the buyers - whether they're corporations or states - would dry up the money supply. And the means of transport would have to be either trucks or pipelines, both vulnerable to air attack.

But we're Americans, and anything that disrupts the steady flow of oil is heresy.

Yeah....that won't happen.....


Good grief, WHAT happened to Rand Paul???   He is having a particularly bad hair day today!!

[guido911]

Yep!  That's kinda the whole problem with the lack of leadership we have been saddled with for so long. 

I agree. But thankfully these past five years have gone by fairly quickly.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I agree. But thankfully these past five years have gone by fairly quickly.

The last 13.

But there still may be hope for you....

[guido911]

Didn't listen to the speech. All I saw was this on Drudge. So we are going to war then?