One less QT today

[Gaspar]

What does this have to do with the Ferguson incident?

Mmm cops are bad.  Mkay

[patric]

Don't you know? Cams can only be used as evidence against the police, not work for them...

Maybe that's what the United States District Court for the Northern District of Oklahoma was thinking four years ago?

As far as being able to freely stop and start dashcam recordings at will; that sort of on-the-fly editing just adds more suspicion.

[Vashta Nerada]

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — About a dozen protesters were jailed after being arrested during Thursday's protests in Ferguson, and it has some local officials and rights groups questioning if police overreached.

A small number of people gathered outside Ferguson police headquarters, and just before midnight, officers began moving toward the protesters, who were chanting, used plastic restraints on their wrists and put them in a van, according to Gabrielle Hanson, who was at the scene while her mother, CNN freelancer Mary Moore, shot video. Moore was arrested, Hanson was not.

The reason for the arrests wasn't immediately clear. Patricia Bynes, a Democratic committeewoman from the Ferguson area who was at the protest, said protesters were cited for violating a noise ordinance.

"What a remarkable display of making your own rules as you go," said Bynes. "They took the journalist who was doing her job and wasn't involved."

The protesters were taken to a jail in neighboring St. Ann, and some were placed on 24-hour hold, Bynes said.

"Holding people unnecessarily long, arresting them when it's not necessary — that's an indication of overreach," ACLU attorney Rothert said. "It certainly appears that the purpose is to discourage people from coming to Ferguson to protest."

Hundreds of people have been arrested during nearly two months of protests in Ferguson, including journalists and clergy. The Rev. Osagyefo Sekou was arrested Monday after he sat down on the sidewalk with other protesters and was charged with failure to disperse — a misdemeanor that is the most common charge protesters have faced.

Hanson said Moore was shooting video of the arrests for CNN when officers confiscated her news camera.

Hanson said the family had received no explanation from police, and that she had not heard from her mother as of Friday morning.

"Nobody really knows what's going on," she said.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Mmm cops are bad.  Mkay

Just because you haven't experienced the "thrill" yet, doesn't mean it ain't happening.... in a big way....way too often!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Freaky Wednesday in OKC this afternoon!  It is wild west shootout at the OK(C) corral day!!  I'm staying tonight about 1/2 mile from the shooting this afternoon.  Have been listening to sirens and watching news helicopters all evening hovering around.  Almost thought about walking over to see what was going on, but that would have meant walking over to see what was going on....    Looks like there were 5 or 6 total involved in this shooting/carjacking scenario.  One woman killed - probably the hostage, couple cops wounded, couple punks wounded, 3 or 4 more arrested.

I'm betting drug involvement somewhere along the line....

Luckily, I know some side roads....saw the roadblocks but didn't get slowed down.

Cops are like everyone else - some good, some bad, some just regular people -  there were some good ones out there today!  

[Vashta Nerada]

Just because you haven't experienced the "thrill" yet, doesn't mean it ain't happening.... in a big way....way too often!

BREAKING NEWS:  Cop uses stock phrase to excuse deadly force.             Shocker.

You are walking, and someone pulls up to you close enough to reach out and grab you.
In their other hand, you notice a gun, and you have a split second to save your life.
Would you react by trying to push the gun away, or even try to grab it?
The cop was the only one with a gun in his hand, so keep in mind who was actually in fear for thier life.

[DolfanBob]

He's coming back for round two. But it's not racist. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799230/al-sharpton-returning-ferguson-four-days-order-draw-national-attention-death-unarmed-st-louis-teenager-michael-brown.html

[patric]

A bit of a sidebar, but relevant:

This weekend's outbreak of pumpkin-fueled mayhem in Keene, N.H., provoked two equally incredulous reactions. First: Seriously — riots at a pumpkin festival? Second: Seriously — tear gas at a riot at a pumpkin festival?
The college-age rioters may have truly believed they were just fighting for their right to party, and the police who responded may have honestly believed that Keene was on the brink of civil insurrection, but both badly need a reality check.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2014/10/20/pumpkin-festival-chaos-keene-leaves-plenty-blame-around/iiH6IyXZLYcOBLsFtXDKXP/story.html

[patric]

The official autopsy on Michael Brown shows that he was shot in the hand at close range, according to an analysis of the findings by two experts not involved directly in the case.

The St. Louis medical examiner, Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, reviewed the autopsy report for the newspaper. He said Tuesday that it "does support that there was a significant altercation at the car."

Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown's right thumb toward his wrist.


...which is consistent with a defensive wound, if the officer grabbed him thru the car window with one hand while reaching for his gun with the other (as witnesses have previously said).

[Conan71]

The official autopsy on Michael Brown shows that he was shot in the hand at close range, according to an analysis of the findings by two experts not involved directly in the case.

The St. Louis medical examiner, Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, reviewed the autopsy report for the newspaper. He said Tuesday that it "does support that there was a significant altercation at the car."

Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown's right thumb toward his wrist.


...which is consistent with a defensive wound, if the officer grabbed him thru the car window with one hand while reaching for his gun with the other (as witnesses have previously said).

...or if Brown were grabbing the cop through the window.

[DolfanBob]

You can show these people all the evidence in the World. But it's now at the point when someone yells FIRE! It can never be put out.

[patric]

...or if Brown were grabbing the cop through the window.

Either is possible, but only one is likely.


Subsequent actions add more perspective:

Gray said he doesn't dispute that something happened between Brown and Wilson at the police vehicle. But he wonders why Wilson would go after Brown and perceive him as a threat outside the vehicle, even knowing that Brown had been shot.

"His actions contradict the presence of fear," Gray said. "You're fearful, a guy's running, but you're going to get out and chase him? How many people do you know chase something that you're fearful of?"

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-told-grand-jury-he-was-trapped-in-his/article_3d9ff30b-311a-545b-859a-5d6ef60debc4.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Either is possible, but only one is likely.


Subsequent actions add more perspective:

Gray said he doesn't dispute that something happened between Brown and Wilson at the police vehicle. But he wonders why Wilson would go after Brown and perceive him as a threat outside the vehicle, even knowing that Brown had been shot.

"His actions contradict the presence of fear," Gray said. "You're fearful, a guy's running, but you're going to get out and chase him? How many people do you know chase something that you're fearful of?"

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-officer-told-grand-jury-he-was-trapped-in-his/article_3d9ff30b-311a-545b-859a-5d6ef60debc4.html

Wouldn't that kinda be the definition of being the cop's job...?

[dbacksfan 2.0]

Wouldn't that kinda be the definition of being the cop's job...?

Yes, normally that is part of the job description, and if they do something the new norm is they need to be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted within a few days regardless of any evidence.

[patric]

Yes, normally that is part of the job description, and if they do something the new norm is they need to be arrested, indicted, tried and convicted within a few days regardless of any evidence.

Can you cite an instance of that actually happening, anywhere?