Simon Outlet Mall 61st & Hwy 75

[Conan71]

They sell those in stores.... I bet that at any given time, there are at least dozens for sale in various stores across the city...!!


Sorry....early Mon morning, and I just couldn't resist...

Tom's Bicycles at 71st & Riverside rents mountain bikes, current top line stuff.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Tom's Bicycles at 71st & Riverside rents mountain bikes, current top line stuff.

Yeah...renting, too!  Never would have considered that, since I would only buy one if was gonna ride one, but that works too!!

[SXSW]

REI may rent or at least demo bikes too, and where they're going is perfectly situated for both mountain bikes on Turkey and road bikes for the river trails.  Maybe someday kayaks in the river...

[heironymouspasparagus]

REI may rent or at least demo bikes too, and where they're going is perfectly situated for both mountain bikes on Turkey and road bikes for the river trails.  Maybe someday kayaks in the river...

Maybe instead of trying to make the river into something it isn't, we should play to the strengths.... sand kayaks.  Kinda like a snowmobile....or dune buggies - sand dune sports.  After every rain, features change and it becomes 'new' again.

Sand-yakkin'.

[rdj]

I should open a hover boat rental business on the river.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I should open a hover boat rental business on the river.

That would be fun!  In fact, that is brilliant!!  I could see renting one sometime - let me know when you get it going!  Just gotta avoid the old oil well equipment in the river bed - it might snag the air bag!

[Conan71]

Here's a competing vision for the property which is an infinitely better use of it.  It would take advantage of the existing acreage which was cleared a couple of years ago with more parking including better horse trailer parking, new trailhead, visitor center, etc.

[SXSW]

Here's a competing vision for the property which is an infinitely better use of it.  It would take advantage of the existing acreage which was cleared a couple of years ago with more parking including better horse trailer parking, new trailhead, visitor center, etc.

What is that, an office building?  Much better indeed.  Any chance the city says no to a TIF here?

[Conan71]

What is that, an office building?  Much better indeed.  Any chance the city says no to a TIF here?

It's a rough rendering, idea is a community/visitor center with some facilities.  With the rich history on and around Turkey Mountain it might be a cool place for west Tulsa history exhibits.

The councilors are being made aware this is not a popular development, so we will see what happens.  Simon submitted their application to INCOG (I would assume a PUD) but details are not posted on line as of yet.

[sgrizzle]

Here's a competing vision for the property which is an infinitely better use of it.  It would take advantage of the existing acreage which was cleared a couple of years ago with more parking including better horse trailer parking, new trailhead, visitor center, etc.

Just pay the landowner about a million a year in rent for the next 50 years and you can do it.

[guido911]

[Conan71]

Just pay the landowner about a million a year in rent for the next 50 years and you can do it.

No need.  $3.2 mil was the listed asking price. 

[guido911]

I do not understand why Simon just doesn't follow the terrific business and development advice from people having zero ownership interest in the property but boatloads of self-interest in wanting Simon the hell away from TM.  

Anyway, while I am a firm believer in private property rights and find this concerted effort to interfere by persons with zero direct skin in the game with a development that will yield tax receipts and jobs for Tulsans selfish, I also empathize with the cause. I am speaking to those few in here that understand the actual benefits from TM.

[guido911]

I would like to know from cynical what the likelihood of an eminent domain lawsuit (or similar COA) would be if Simon is prohibited by government from developing their land as they want. Also, what the ballpark for attorneys fees and damages would be.

[ZYX]

I do not understand why Simon just doesn't follow the terrific business and development advice from people having zero ownership interest in the property but boatloads of self-interest in wanting Simon the hell away from TM.  

Anyway, while I am a firm believer in private property rights and find this concerted effort to interfere by persons with zero direct skin in the game with a development that will yield tax receipts and jobs for Tulsans selfish, I also empathize with the cause. I am speaking to those few in here that understand the actual benefits from TM.

It's not all self-interest. It is recognizing the asset that Turkey Mountain is to the people of Tulsa. I've still yet to speak face to face with one person who supports this development. If you've never been, I encourage you to check TM out some time. It's the most diverse crowd I've seen anywhere in Tulsa, not just a bunch of mountain bikers trying to make it their private training grounds.

I hope that the city will support the interests of the people of Tulsa over business interests. However, I don't know how far the city can legally go.

What, in your opinion, are the "actual benefits" of Turkey Mountain? I see it as one of the most important parts of the city. It separates us from other mid size cities, and gives people from out of town something to remember us by. To pave over one of Tulsa's most defining characteristics with anything, much less something as bland as an outlet mall, would be a gross mistake.