Simon Outlet Mall 61st & Hwy 75

[Conan71]

Nice non-sequitur. 

[DTowner]

Simon is the largest retail developer/manager in the world.  Why on earth would they scavenge their own good-performing property?  They have to already understand the point CF made.  I think they will dick with the city long enough that Horizon decides to move their resources elsewhere and Simon will do nothing.

I've spoken with two previous mayors who see this folly, why doesn't DB see what a joke this is?

I'm not sure it's fair to assume the mayor doesn't understand the risk that the city might be getting played by Simon.  If he sits back and does nothing to win Simon over, and if your theory of Simon's intention is correct, Simon will point to the mayor/city's lack of interest as a primary reason the project didn't happen.  Not good for the mayor.  Also, if there is a chance it will happen, you don't want to be the mayor who sat back and without a fight watched the project and all the sales tax revenues go to Jenks.  If the outlet mall doesn't happen or happens in Jenks, the mayor wants to be in the position to say he and the city did everything they could.  That is smart politics.

[SouthTulsaCountyDude]

More bait and switch?
http://www.fox23.com/news/news/local/bartlett-fights-keep-outlet-mall-tulsa/nmXPD/

Why would Simon want their Outlet Mall right next to parkview terrace?    (Its Sec 8 right???)

Why would Simon want to do this land swap?    I see no incentive.   Correct me if I am wrong.   

[Conan71]

Why would Simon want their Outlet Mall right next to parkview terrace?    (Its Sec 8 right???)

Why would Simon want to do this land swap?    I see no incentive.   Correct me if I am wrong.   

Details of the land swap, as I understand it, involves demo of Parkview Terrace and relocation of its residents and leaving the wooded part of Bales Park undisturbed.  So basically the Sharon King Davis property fronting 61st, PT, and the baseball park.

[AngieB]

>>>demo of Parkview Terrace and relocation of its residents<<<

That's huge! I could get behind that 100%.

[Townsend]

That's huge! I could get behind that 100%.

First 5 google images for Parkview Terrace are pics with cops in them.

[Conan71]

That's huge! I could get behind that 100%.

I hope the home owners on the west side of Union are good with that, too.

[sgrizzle]

I hope the home owners on the west side of Union are good with that, too.

I went to a small-area planning meeting for that area. Many of them very vocally said they don't want anything larger than a shed built west of 75.

[dsjeffries]

That's huge! I could get behind that 100%.

I'm glad I don't live in a snout house Parkview Terrace or I'd be feeling pretty beat up about now. Man. Criticizing the type of home in which people live.  :-/

[SouthTulsaCountyDude]

I went to a small-area planning meeting for that area. Many of them very vocally said they don't want anything larger than a shed built west of 75.

SO the city will have a hard time even with the whole land swap idea?

[AngieB]

I'm glad I don't live in a snout house Parkview Terrace or I'd be feeling pretty beat up about now. Man. Criticizing the type of home in which people live.  :-/

There's a difference, Daniel. It is a blighted area with high crime. But thanks for playing.

[Townsend]

Details of the land swap, as I understand it, involves demo of Parkview Terrace and relocation of its residents and leaving the wooded part of Bales Park undisturbed.  So basically the Sharon King Davis property fronting 61st, PT, and the baseball park.

Does the land swap plan mention where the residents would be relocated?

[dsjeffries]

There's a difference, Daniel. It is a blighted area with high crime. But thanks for playing.

So the mass relocation of poor people is okay, but criticizing snout houses isn't. Okay.

According to the Tulsa Police Department's crime map, we need to relocate a lot of people from high crime areas all over the city (Tulsa Hills has an especially high crime rate. We should probably bulldoze it). I guess the failed housing policies of the past 50 years and results from earlier forced removals and concentrations of poverty don't really apply to Tulsa.

[AngieB]

So the mass relocation of poor people is okay, but criticizing snout houses isn't. Okay.

According to the Tulsa Police Department's crime map, we need to relocate a lot of people from high crime areas all over the city (Tulsa Hills has an especially high crime rate. We should probably bulldoze it). I guess the failed housing policies of the past 50 years and results from earlier forced removals and concentrations of poverty don't really apply to Tulsa.

They are thousands of well kept "snout houses" in very nice areas and then there are blighted old run down apartment buildings. You're trying to start a fight with me and I am not going to entertain it any further.

[sgrizzle]

SO the city will have a hard time even with the whole land swap idea?

NIMBYs are everywhere.