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Started by guido911, October 01, 2014, 01:40:12 PM

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Conan71

Quote from: Gaspar on October 15, 2014, 10:16:46 AM
The media is going to make this the nurse's fault before this is all over.
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-nurse-contracted-ebola-understood-risks-153314500.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory
Nurse infected with Ebola knew risks of her work

Dosen't really change the fact that the patient she cared for should have never been here in the first place.

This morning, Nurse Pham was reported to be in good condition.  No doubt this is because she's a white Asian and received superior care to the late Mr. Duncan.  ::)
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: Hoss on October 15, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
You know, I find it a bit ironic that the entire country freaks out when 1 person that has Ebola dies in this country.

However, 10,000 annual deaths by firearms?  Meh, who cares.

The purchase of a firearm does not translate into a 70% fatality rate.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2014, 10:29:35 AM
This morning, Nurse Pham was reported to be in good condition.  No doubt this is because she's a white Asian and received superior care to the late Mr. Duncan.  ::)

QUICK! To the Sharptonmobile!
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on October 15, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
The purchase of a firearm does not translate into a 70% fatality rate.

Thanks for proving my point.

Conan71

#94
Quote from: Hoss on October 15, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
You know, I find it a bit ironic that the entire country freaks out when 1 person that has Ebola dies in this country.

However, 10,000 annual deaths by firearms?  Meh, who cares.

32,000 technically with roughly 1/2 homicide, but who's counting?

The reason I believe people are worried is repeated assurances this was being contained and controlled in Africa.  Then a case shows up here in the states and now two healthcare workers who supposedly were properly trained and equipped to deal with this and other infectious diseases turn up with it.  This amidst assurances from the CDC how this would a) never reach our shores; b) if it did we can cure it; c) it won't spread.

Either there's more to the disease than anyone is aware or is being informed of, or we are simply not being told the whole truth.  There's no disputing this is the largest ebola outbreak ever, that's been repeated multiple times by WHO.  With each emerging case in west Africa, there's more of a chance of it spreading through Europe, Asia, or North and South America if strict travel restrictions are not put in place.

Particularly repugnant is the idiots in Washington, as usual, are making this a political issue when it needs to be a common sense one.  But politics and commonsense don't belong in the same sentence.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2014, 10:37:23 AM
32,000 technically with roughly 1/2 homicide, but who's counting?

The reason I believe people are worried is repeated assurances this was being contained and controlled in Africa.  Then a case shows up here in the states and now two healthcare workers who supposedly were properly trained and equipped to deal with this and other infectious diseases turn up with it.  This amidst assurances from the CDC how this would a) never reach our shores; b) if it did we can cure it; c) it won't spread.

Either there's more to the disease than anyone is aware or is being informed of, or we are simply not being told the whole truth.  There's no disputing this is the largest ebola outbreak ever, that's been repeated multiple times by WHO.  With each emerging case in west Africa, there's more of a chance of it spreading through Europe, Asia, or North and South America if strict travel restrictions are not put in place.

Particularly repugnant is the idiots in Washington, as usual, are making this a political issue when it needs to be a common sense one.  But politics and commonsense don't belong in the same sentence.

Thanks for the thoughtful response.  I can usually expect that from you C... :)

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Hoss on October 15, 2014, 10:27:24 AM
You know, I find it a bit ironic that the entire country freaks out when 1 person that has Ebola dies in this country.

However, 10,000 annual deaths by firearms?  Meh, who cares.


37,000 by flu.
500,000 by heart disease - preventable.
400,000 by smoking - preventable.
15,000 by drunk drivers - absolutely preventable.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Gaspar

Credit due!

Obama has just announced he will cancel his additional fundraising trips this week to attend national security briefings and address the Ebola issue.

Sad that it took public outcry, but he deserves credit for making the decision to do this President thing.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_EBOLA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on October 15, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
Credit due!

Obama has just announced he will cancel his additional fundraising trips this week to attend national security briefings and address the Ebola issue.

Sad that it took public outcry, but he deserves credit for making the decision to do this President thing.


I've sent him your thoughts.  He'll be so excited you approve.

guido911

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

guido911

Quote from: Townsend on October 15, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
I've sent him your thoughts.  He'll be so excited you approve.

Man could we have all sorts of fun with that post.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Townsend

#101
Quote from: guido911 on October 15, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
Man could we have all sorts of fun with that post.

Gosh Guido, I'm so glad.

Be sure to wipe up once you're done.  Wouldn't want to get anyone infected with whatever you might have.

Conan71

If you were on Frontier flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday, CDC wants to talk to you.  Thomas Frieden says she should not have been flying in the first place.  Makes a travel ban sound even more sensible, eh?  If we don't want anyone potentially exposed to it in this country flying or on public transportation for 21 days, why would we allow people who may have been exposed in west Africa to travel here?

QuoteFederal health officials said Wednesday that a second Dallas health-care worker who tested positive for Ebola violated health rules by by flying with 132 people who flew with her on a Frontier Airlines jet from Cleveland to Dallas.

All of those passengers and crew on that flight were asked to immediately contact the U.S. Centers for Disease Control for possible monitoring, as officials also announced that the new patient will be transported Wednesday to a hospital in Atlanta for treatment. She was identified by the public health director of Cleveland as Amber Joy Vinson.

CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden said the newly infected patient "should not have traveled on a commercial flight" or taken any other public transportation because she had had contact with an Ebola patient at her hospital, and because her temperature was a slightly elevated 99.5 degrees before she boarded Monday's flight from Cleveland.

Vinson only became feverish on Tuesday. Vinson is the second health-care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas to be diagnosed with Ebola after having cared for Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan, who died from the disease Oct. 8. The other current patient there was nurse for Duncan, 26-year-old Nina Pham, who is stable condition.

Frieden said that the risk of the woman having infected another person on the flight Monday is "extremely low" because of the difficulty in transmitting Ebola.

Vinson "will be transported" to Emory University hospital in Atlanta from Dallas later Wednesday "as a result of a clinical decision," said US Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Matthews Burwell. Vinson was not named by Burwell, Frieden or health officials in Texas when they discussed her case.

Emory has recently cared for two prior Ebola patients, both Americans who recovered from the virus, and is sending two nurses to Texas Health Presbyterian to assist in treating Pham.

Officials are also going to monitor three people Vinson had contact with before she was isolated Tuesday.

Kent State University in Ohio said Vinson has three relatives who work at the university, but also said she did not visit the campus during her recent trip to her family's home in Summit County, Ohio.

Kent State's director of health services, Dr. Angela DeJulius, said "Out of an abundance of caution, we're asking the patient's family members to remain off campus for the next 21 days and self-monitor per CDC protocol."

Neither the three people who had contact with Vinson, nor more than 120 others who had contact with Duncan will be allowed to travel on commercial flights or public transportation until they clear the incubation deadline for the virus, Frieden said.

In response to dramatic developments, President Barack Obama canceled a planned election-season trip Wednesday to New Jersey and Connecticut.

Instead, administration officials said, he will convene an afternoon meeting at the White House with agencies coordinating the government's response to the outbreak.

Officials also warned that additional cases of the deadly virus at the Dallas hospital where the woman worked are "a very real possibility."

"We have contingencies for more," Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said during a morning briefing on Vinson's diagnosis.

Jenkins said Vinson was isolated within 90 minutes of reporting a fever Tuesday. She is the third person diagnosed in the U.S. with Ebola, which is currently epidemic in three West African countries.

The CDC hours later revealed that Vinson had flown on Monday on Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The CDC asked all passengers aboard that flight to call 1-800-232-4636. Frontier Airlines said passengers who also traveled with the woman on Flight 1142 on Friday from Dallas/Fort Worth to Cleveland should contact CDC as well.

"Individuals who are determined to be at any potential risk will be actively monitored," the CDC said in a statement. It said the woman exhibited no symptoms aboard the flight on Monday evening. The disease can be spread only by contact with bodily fluids and when symptoms appear, and not by casual contact, the CDC has said.

Frontier Airlines said the aircraft used for Flight 1143 remained grounded overnight from Monday and received a thorough cleaning, as is normal. The aircraft was cleaned again in Cleveland on Tuesday night, the airline said.
Vinson and Pham's employer, Texas Health Presbyterian, is facing renewed criticism for its handling of Duncan's case.

Texas Health didn't initially admit the Liberian national Duncan for treatment Sept. 25 despite knowing he had a high fever and had recently traveled from West Africa, center of the largest Ebola outbreak on record. Duncan was admitted three days later after becoming more seriously ill.

Vinson and Pham were among 77 people who were involved in treating Duncan or handling his blood. All were placed on a monitoring list, but only after Pham had been diagnosed with Ebola. They join 48 people who had or may have had contact with Duncan before he was admitted to the hospital.

"Health officials have interviewed the latest patient to quickly identify any contacts or potential exposures, and those people will be monitored," the Texas Department of Health said in a statement. "The type of monitoring depends on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus."

As with Pham's case, it is not known precisely how Vinson became infected while caring for Duncan. But Frieden said both women "had extensive contact" with Duncan in the initial days of his stay at Texas Health, a time when he was suffering from intense vomiting and diarrhea.

During that same time, Frieden said, "a variety of forms of personal protective equipment were used." Frieden suggested that the

Jenkins called the new case "a gut shot" to the staff at Texas Heath, "because this is one of their own."

He said more cases there are "a very real possibility."

Jenkins called Vinson, without using her name, "a heroic person, a person who is dedicating her life to serving others."

"And we hope and pray that, like Nina, she will get on a good track."

CDC reviewing treatment protocols

Early Wednesday, officials made reverse 911 calls to neighbors of Vinson's in Dallas. The common areas outside her apartment were cleaned, and the inside of her unit was set to be cleaned later in the day.

Vinson lives alone, with no pets, officials said.

The latest case came to light just hours after CDC Director Frieden said he regretted not having immediately sent a more "robust" CDC team Texas Health after Duncan was admitted with Ebola in late September.

Frieden said such a step "might have prevented" Pham's infection.

Her diagnosis led the CDC to "rethink" the way it tries to control Ebola from spreading to caregivers, said Frieden, who since has dispatched a specialized infection-control team to Texas to complement an existing CDC squad.

Officials are reviewing and revising the protocols for treatment of the two women at the hospital.

Among other things, Frieden has suggested that health-care workers may have been using too many layers of protective garb, which can present an opportunity for a mistake when they are removed after interacting with a patient, as can the use of tape to hold down openings for hands in that gear. He also said officials have recommended that fewer caregivers go in and out of the rooms containing an Ebola patient.

Texas Health Presbyterian was criticized hours before Vinson's case came to light by a nurses union, National Nurses United, which accused the hospital of not having proper protocols in place to handle the disease.

The union said nurses at the hospital complained of confusion and little training in the days after Duncan was diagnosed, putting tem at risk.

"There was no advance preparedness on what to do with the patient, there was no protocol, there was no system," the group said in a statement.

The hospital responded by saying: "Patient and employee safety is our greatest priority and we take compliance very seriously. We have numerous measures in place to provide a safe working environment, including mandatory annual training and a 24-7 hotline and other mechanisms that allow for anonymous reporting."

During a briefing Wednesday morning, Daniel Varga, chief clinical officer for Texas Health, said, "I don't think we have a systematic, institutional problem."
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He said said Texas Health is looking into every element of the protective equipment staff uses to treat Ebola patient, as well as other infection-control measures at the hospital.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry said "The diagnosis of a second health care worker in Dallas reaffirms what a formidable foe this virus is."

"I am in daily contact with Dr. Brett Giroir and Dr. David Lakey and earlier today spoke with White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough and HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell to ensure state and federal management of this issue is tightly coordinated."

"This is the first time that our nation has had to deal with a threat such as this. Everyone working on this challenge—from the medical professionals at the bedside to the public health officials addressing containment of the infection—is working to end the threat posed by this disease. These individuals are keeping the health and safety of Texans and the needs of the patients as their most critical tasks. Every relevant agency at the local, state and national levels is working to support these individuals."

Perry also said, "I have great faith that we will succeed in this important mission; once we have put it behind us we will be the stronger for it and more prepared to meet the kinds of challenges that we as Americans are uniquely prepared to face."

People with Ebola are not contagious until symptoms such as fever develop. The disease is spread through direct contact with bodily fluids or exposure to contaminated objects such as needles.

Pham, in a statement issued Tuesday, said she was "doing well," and thanked "everyone for their kind wishes and prayers."

Ebola has an incubation period of up to 21 days. The 48 people who are being monitored for having contact with Duncan before his admission to the hospital are due to come off monitoring on Sunday, and so far none has shown any symptoms.

While several Americans who contracted Ebola in West Africa have been treated for the virus after being transported in the U.S.—including NBC News freelance cameraman Ashoka Mukpo—there have been no other cases diagnosed in the U.S. besides the three in Dallas.

A new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted before the third case emerged found that 56 percent of Americans say the United States is ready for a possible outbreak, but only about one in 10 say the country is "very prepared."

In its situation report Friday, the World Health Organization said global deaths from Ebola had reached over 4,000, with the most "widespread and intense transmission" occurring in Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone. Officials expect there to be 9,000 officially diagnosed cases of the virus by the end of this week.

Countries with "initial cases" or "localized transmission" included Nigeria, Senegal, Spain and the U.S.

WHO officials on Tuesday said there could be up to 10,000 new cases of Ebola diagnosed in West Africa by December in the absence of ramped-up efforts to combat the disease.

CORRECTION: An earlier version had the wrong number for the CDC. The correct number is 1-800-232-4636
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

guido911

Quote from: Townsend on October 15, 2014, 01:42:16 PM
Gosh Guido, I'm so glad.

Be sure to wipe up once you're done.  Wouldn't want to get anyone infected with whatever you might have.
Funny. That's precisely where I was going with you and your proximity to Obama. You have officially stopped trying.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on October 15, 2014, 01:45:53 PM
If you were on Frontier flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday, CDC wants to talk to you.  Thomas Frieden says she should not have been flying in the first place.  Makes a travel ban sound even more sensible, eh?  If we don't want anyone potentially exposed to it in this country flying or on public transportation for 21 days, why would we allow people who may have been exposed in west Africa to travel here?


There will ultimately be a travel ban, but not until after several more cases erupt. It will unfold exactly like all of the other administration responses to everything from the economy to national security.

The president cannot institute a travel ban right now, because to do so would mean that everyone who said he should do it weeks ago was right. It would mean a huge political disaster.  Imagine, Donald Trump, one of the first people to demand a travel ban, grandstanding about how he was right and FINALLY the Obama listened. The horror!

Even a significant increase in the threat will not politically justify implementing a ban.  Most likely what is taking place in back-channels is the White House attempting to get additional members of the EU and perhaps a resolution from the UN banning travel to and from Liberia with the exception of medical aid missions. . .If successful, the president will be able to follow the "international community" instead of being seen as feckless on the issue.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.