Downtown Development Overview

[swake]

Wowzers.  I didn't realize that they had bought the whole block.  That block is super important as it will form one of the 4 corners around Guthrie Green.  I suddenly see what is meant by endangered.  And I'm also super curious about what their plans are.

Maybe they are going to sink a well on it.

WPX said their lease at Williams Center is up in 2022, so they should be announcing something for this site before too long. Let's hope they find a way to incorporate the old building.

[AdamsHall]

Here are a couple renderings of the renovated Midland on 4th St

They are working on the outside of the Midland development on 4th street.  Not sure if they were working on the interior earlier, but it looks like the project is in high gear now.

[SXSW]

This area has had more stability lately than in a long while.  If BurnCo would expand to dinner hours, like its new Riverwalk location, it would help boost the area.  Losing Vintage would be a shame, I like the fact that it is not downtown, which gives it a more relaxed and neighborhood vibe.

Now that Doubleshot is open in their impressive new digs on Boulder what's next for their space on Boston?

Some pics from FB




And a review in the TW
https://www.tulsaworld.com/entertainment/dining/review-doubleshot-coffee-worthy-of-good-old-fashioned-barn-raising/article_6aca5d0e-def8-5225-bf3b-11ee423d5d3b.html

[brettakins]

Muscogee (Creek) Nation exploring building downtown Tulsa hotel
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/muscogee-creek-nation-exploring-building-downtown-tulsa-hotel/article_8da06a0a-c170-55cb-9931-b6ef5ce1f3a8.amp.html

[DowntownDan]

It would be a nice to remove another parking lot from the landscape. "But there's no parking arggggghhhh!  A whole block from the parking garage!  Outrageous!!!!"

[TulsaGoldenHurriCAN]

It would be a nice to remove another parking lot from the landscape. "But there's no parking arggggghhhh!  A whole block from the parking garage!  Outrageous!!!!"

They would probably install a parking garage with this though, wouldn't they? They'd certainly need some with a 300-room hotel.

I'm curious about the potential casino part. Could that be permitted in the IDL? Can the city/state prevent that? I'm not a big fan of casinos, but I guess it is taking money from those who are proving they don't deserve to have that money and they do produce well paying jobs and pretty affordable non-casino-related entertainment as well that ends up being a benefit for the area (such as the River Spirit resort pool overlooking the river, Flying Tee and the Riverwalk).

[swake]

They would probably install a parking garage with this though, wouldn't they? They'd certainly need some with a 300-room hotel.

I'm curious about the potential casino part. Could that be permitted in the IDL? Can the city/state prevent that? I'm not a big fan of casinos, but I guess it is taking money from those who are proving they don't deserve to have that money and they do produce well paying jobs and pretty affordable non-casino-related entertainment as well that ends up being a benefit for the area (such as the River Spirit resort pool overlooking the river, Flying Tee and the Riverwalk).

Downtown is in the Creek Nation's national boundary. If the tribe buys the property and has the land placed in reserved status with the BIA, as is their right, they can open a casino. The city nor the state can prevent the land from being placed in reserved status, but they could fight it with the feds. This sounds more like the city is helping.

All of Tulsa south of Admiral is in the Creek Nation. All of Tulsa in Osage County is in the Osage Nation, the rest of Tulsa north of Admiral but not in Osage County is in the Cherokee Nation. All can three tribes open casinos in their national areas on land that has been placed in reserved status. The entire metro area is on Indian land.

[TulsaBeMore]

Not quite sure how to start a clean topic post or what page I should have put this in ---- does anybody remember the name of the multi-level (at least 2) restaurant and bar that extended over The Ice at the old Williams Center Forum --- on the east end? It had a rectangle bar and cafe seating on the upper level and the lower level had tables overlooking the ice skating all framed in glass windows. Could it have been The Atrium?  It randomly came up and I can't find it anywhere.  Seems they were noted for sandwiches and maybe potato salads and the fraternity-style to-go plastic drink cups.     

[heironymouspasparagus]

Not quite sure how to start a clean topic post or what page I should have put this in ---- does anybody remember the name of the multi-level (at least 2) restaurant and bar that extended over The Ice at the old Williams Center Forum --- on the east end? It had a rectangle bar and cafe seating on the upper level and the lower level had tables overlooking the ice skating all framed in glass windows. Could it have been The Atrium?  It randomly came up and I can't find it anywhere.  Seems they were noted for sandwiches and maybe potato salads and the fraternity-style to-go plastic drink cups.     

Can't believe someone hasn't answered yet.  I seem to remember there was a restaurant there, but no idea of name.  That's all I got...

[swake]

The Magic Pan

[Jacobei]

Not sure if this should be its own topic (yet) but there is construction fencing up around the parking lot in front of the Hartford building.  I know that there had been plans for this lot but wasn't sure where the plans were at.  Beyond the fencing, the northern part of the parking lot has been torn up by a backhoe.  Any info on this project moving forward?

[Markk]

Not quite sure how to start a clean topic post or what page I should have put this in ---- does anybody remember the name of the multi-level (at least 2) restaurant and bar that extended over The Ice at the old Williams Center Forum --- on the east end? It had a rectangle bar and cafe seating on the upper level and the lower level had tables overlooking the ice skating all framed in glass windows. Could it have been The Atrium?  It randomly came up and I can't find it anywhere.  Seems they were noted for sandwiches and maybe potato salads and the fraternity-style to-go plastic drink cups.     

Wasn't it Charley & Barney's, or Barney's or something like that?

[Tulsa Zephyr]

Wasn't it Charley & Barney's, or Barney's or something like that?

Yes!  I was thinking it had "Barney" in it.  After a little Google search, I believe it was Charlie and Barney's Chili Parlor.  A cool place to eat and watch skaters.

[TulsaBeMore]

The Magic Pan

The Magic Pan was down at the west end by the escalator.  The one I'm talking about is on the east end and it was a 2-level glass box that hanged over the ice rink.   

[TulsaBeMore]

Yes!  I was thinking it had "Barney" in it.  After a little Google search, I believe it was Charlie and Barney's Chili Parlor.  A cool place to eat and watch skaters.

I think you're right!  It was a cool place.  May have had another name too as some point.  Some girls I knew did part-time catering work for them and they did a lot - I think more than business at the shopping center.