Miss Jackson's/Petty's.....

[Conan71]

How do any of those supplement/grocery stores stay in business?

There must be a healthy mark up in supplements, though the place in Jenks went tits up rather quickly.

[patric]

Unlike Miss Jacksons, Pettys was always full of customers.
Still is, and the parking in front is always a game of geriatric bumbpercars.

[swake]

There must be a healthy mark up in supplements, though the place in Jenks went tits up rather quickly.

I went to that Jenks store a couple of times but I'm not sure I actually ever bought anything. The deli there carried the exact same brand of meat as Target's deli just at $12+ a pound instead of $9. So Target level goods at Whole Foods prices with a terrible selection to go with it. They opened about the same time as the new Reasor's in Jenks and Reasor's devotes more space to Onions than that store did to all fresh foods. Just a really bad store.

[DowntownDan]

I'm not sure a grocery store really fits Utica Square anymore.  It would need to be a high margin type place like Whole Foods.  If you combine the spaces it would probably fit a Nordstroms or similar type store.

[Conan71]

I'm not sure a grocery store really fits Utica Square anymore.  It would need to be a high margin type place like Whole Foods.  If you combine the spaces it would probably fit a Nordstroms or similar type store.

Petty's was about as high margin as it gets.  Why swap one for the other?  They used to (and may have still, no idea) do home delivery back when I was in high school.

[Townsend]

They used to (and may have still, no idea) do home delivery back when I was in high school.

Lots of places did that back in the 50's.

Heck, Sam the butcher was still delivering his meat to Alice into the early 70's.

[SXSW]

Can you fit an 2 story REI and 2 story Crate & Barrel on the Petty's/Miss Jackson's site?

[Conan71]

Heck, Sam the butcher was still delivering his meat to Alice into the early 70's.

I thought that was completely platonic. 

[Breadburner]

How do any of those supplement/grocery stores stay in business?

Beats me been in there a couple of times....Dead as a door nail....

[Jeff P]

Nordstrom Outlet, that's an oxymoron. I went to a couple of them after getting gift cards and wasn't  impressed. Everything was basically 15% off, so it's not a bargin. Just my experience, your mileage may vary.

Really?

I've always had pretty good luck at Nordstrom Rack.  Way better luck than any other "outlet" type store.  I've bought two pretty nice Hugo Boss suits there for a pretty nice discount.  (They retail for around $900 and I got both of them for around $400.)   

The key is that the most common sizes (40R, 42R, 44R) are few and far between.  You have to kind of get lucky based on when they get new stuff.

[Breadburner]

Lots of places did that back in the 50's.

Heck, Sam the butcher was still delivering his meat to Alice into the early 70's.

Alice got a deep discount on the tube-steak from Sam....

[swake]

New article in the world about the closing With some interesting quotes.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/retail/petty-s-fine-foods-out-at-utica-square-i-think/article_e0205593-8064-585e-b49c-75f18995b031.html

It wasn't Petty's idea to close, and they may well reopen:

On Tuesday, Petty said his grocery could still reopen elsewhere. He pegged the odds of it happening at about 50-50.
"There's no timetable for something like that," he said. "I think it depends on what opportunities are out there, what other people might show us or present to us, what we might see on our own.
"We would probably do something similar, possibly even smaller. ... Location is everything. ... People have talked to us about the Brady District and far south Tulsa, places like that."

It's about H&P wanting the space:

Business was a factor in Petty's closing, but not the main one, Petty said.
"It's not what we would've liked for it to be, so that plays into it," Petty said. "It's not the sole reason."
The main reason, he said, is "I think the landlord has other plans for the building."

Most interestingly, sounds like the whole building may go:

Petty said the pair of closings isn't an indictment of the health of the shopping center.
"I don't think it's a reflection on Utica Square. I think it's more the building. That's an old building. And the building may be at the end of its useful life," he said.
The building was built in 1965 and is just under 59,000 square feet, according to Tulsa County property records.

[Conan71]

If I remember the story correctly, there was a *gasp* bowling alley in that area of Utica Square until 1964 or thereabouts.

[dbacksfan 2.0]

If I remember the story correctly, there was a *gasp* bowling alley in that area of Utica Square until 1964 or thereabouts.

Walt Helmerich didn't build Utica Square but he built Utica Square.
That seeming contradiction is easy to explain. He didn't build the buildings. But he built the Square into a unique Tulsa shopping center.
The center was built by Dale Carter, a lumber and building materials supplier, and Don Nix, a real estate developer. It opened in May 1952. It was Tulsa's first shopping center, loosely patterned after the highly successful Country Club Plaza in Kansas City.
Helmerich was in the oil business. Helmerich and Payne was a major drilling contractor. Walt, the son of that company's founder, approached Carter and Nix about buying the Square. He thought he had a deal.
But Nix backed out. Eventually Carter and Nix sold the center, in 1963, to Bill Kistler. That same year a fire destroyed the Square building that housed the Southwest's largest bowling alley. Kistler rebuilt -- that building now houses Miss Jackson's, Petty's Fine Foods and other stores.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/the-tulsa-difference/article_4d710138-fc0b-5ac5-abdd-01b539d2c93a.html

[hello]

Beggars can't be choosers but I'm not too excited for Petty's in the Brady. I would like a more reasonably priced grocery store.