Miss Jackson's/Petty's.....

[DTowner]

The last time I was in that Macy's, it looked like they had stopped restocking the shelves. 

To survive, Promenade will have to look to things other than retail - the gym was a good start.

I still don't get putting in a grocery store at Utica Sq. in the same location it just forced out a local grocery store that had a loyal following.  Low margin groceries in a high rent center just don't make sense to me.  Sprouts, Whole Foods, and Trader Joes located within a few miles of Utica Sq. only make it a worse idea.

[mrrbot1]

fresh market will be a good addtion to utica

[Tulsasaurus Rex]

Would be nice if the University got that property.

Would love to see that happen

[SXSW]

Would be nice if the University got that property.

Just the Macy's or all of Promenade? 

[swake]

Just the Macy's or all of Promenade? 

Which university? OU?

[Tulsasaurus Rex]

OU and all of Promenade

[BKDotCom]

Wife worked at OU...  has thought for years that they should acquire Promenade.. but doesn't think they're smart/progressive enough

[cannon_fodder]

There's also the small matter of the $45,000,000 to purchase the property and the $45,000,000+ needed to turn it into usable space for a university. And it removes a huge amount of sales tax from the rolls. And Langston, TU, OSU, NSU, Rogers State, ORU, etc. etc. etc. would all oppose it. And, of course, there's the fact that there are only ~1,000 kids that go to OU Tulsa, and most of them are part time.  Or that they don't have the funding to up faculty that much in Tulsa.

So other than the expense, the need, and the practicality of it... I expect OU to buy the mall any day now. 

[davideinstein]

Wife worked at OU...  has thought for years that they should acquire Promenade.. but doesn't think they're smart/progressive enough

They already remodeled something previously across the street, I bet they look into it over time.

[davideinstein]

There's also the small matter of the $45,000,000 to purchase the property and the $45,000,000+ needed to turn it into usable space for a university. And it removes a huge amount of sales tax from the rolls. And Langston, TU, OSU, NSU, Rogers State, ORU, etc. etc. etc. would all oppose it. And, of course, there's the fact that there are only ~1,000 kids that go to OU Tulsa, and most of them are part time.  Or that they don't have the funding to up faculty that much in Tulsa.

So other than the expense, the need, and the practicality of it... I expect OU to buy the mall any day now.  

Do TU/ORU have a say? If so, in what regard?

[Conan71]

They already remodeled something previously across the street, I bet they look into it over time.

The Schusterman's gave them a pretty hefty gift to take that property off Amoco's hands.

Not sure if they are in that sort of position anymore since they sold Samson.

[swake]

The Schusterman's gave them a pretty hefty gift to take that property off Amoco's hands.

Not sure if they are in that sort of position anymore since they sold Samson.

Forbes has Lynn Schusterman as the 49th wealthiest woman in the world and 477th wealthiest person with $3.4 billion.

Personally, if someone wants to throw around a bunch of millions on local colleges I would prefer it be for OSU Tulsa to become a full independant public research university than to buy an old mall.

[SXSW]

Forbes has Lynn Schusterman as the 49th wealthiest woman in the world and 477th wealthiest person with $3.4 billion.

Personally, if someone wants to throw around a bunch of millions on local colleges I would prefer it be for OSU Tulsa to become a full independant public research university than to buy an old mall.

I agree but OSU doesn't seem committed to making it a fully independent 4 year university.  Can you imagine if they would have followed through with the 20/20 plan developed in the early 2000's to have 20k students on campus by 2020?  Very frustrated with OSU, I think OU would've done a better job with UCAT but that ship has sailed.

[swake]

I agree but OSU doesn't seem committed to making it a fully independent 4 year university.  Can you imagine if they would have followed through with the 20/20 plan developed in the early 2000's to have 20k students on campus by 2020?  Very frustrated with OSU, I think OU would've done a better job with UCAT but that ship has sailed.

I know, OSU pisses me off with their short sightedness over the Tulsa campus. It would still be part of the OSU system. Oklahoma parochialism again.

[DowntownDan]

I thought that the Tulsa campuses for OU and OSU were barred from offering undergraduate courses because of protectionism for TCC.