President Trump- The Implications

[erfalf]

But, point out to me where the previous president (or any of his spokespeople/surrogates) called the press 'the enemy of the American people'.  I'll wait.

Tomato, Tom-a-to. I'm not going to make you happy. If you don't see it, that's your world view. You obviously are fine with it if it is said eloquently. But not when a jack donkey says it. So spare me your righteous indignation when Trump does things that Obama did for 8 years. And you're right, what Trump did pales in comparison to what Obama ACTUALLY did, you know, spying, prosecuting whistle blowers, etc. Pretty chilling effect on the free press if you ask me. Far more so than Trump saying they are an enemy. Truthfully, if Trump said that the press was an enemy to his administration that would have been a factual statement.

My stance is, that it sucks when they both do it. But I'm just not as "surprised" as many on this board appear to be when it happens. And I can call a spade a spade. Trump is frighteningly similar to recent politicians that it makes many squeamish. The screaming of how horrible he is or how he has taken things to a new extreme is just laughable when you only have to point at how much further the last president took it.

[Hoss]

Tomato, Tom-a-to. I'm not going to make you happy. If you don't see it, that's your world view. You obviously are fine with it if it is said eloquently. But not when a jack donkey says it. So spare me your righteous indignation when Trump does things that Obama did for 8 years. And you're right, what Trump did pales in comparison to what Obama ACTUALLY did, you know, spying, prosecuting whistle blowers, etc. Pretty chilling effect on the free press if you ask me. Far more so than Trump saying they are an enemy. Truthfully, if Trump said that the press was an enemy to his administration that would have been a factual statement.

My stance is, that it sucks when they both do it. But I'm just not as "surprised" as many on this board appear to be when it happens. And I can call a spade a spade. Trump is frighteningly similar to recent politicians that it makes many squeamish. The screaming of how horrible he is or how he has taken things to a new extreme is just laughable when you only have to point at how much further the last president took it.

I'm still waiting....

[erfalf]

I'm still waiting....

The childishness level and pettiness is being taken to another level on this board.

I point out things Obama actually did, but you are concerned with what someone said because I assume fillings are more important to journalists than loosing your livelihood or being thrown in prison.

[Hoss]

The childishness level and pettiness is being taken to another level on this board.

I point out things Obama actually did, but you are concerned with what someone said because I assume fillings are more important to journalists than loosing your livelihood or being thrown in prison.

Your hatred of 44 is evident.  We know that.   I'm pointing out that NO OTHER President in history has called the press 'the enemy of the American people'.  I'm asking you to cite a source if you can of this happening.  You can't.

I'm not comparing what Obama did.  Sure, he had some hatred of some parts of the press.  I don't believe he ever called them, as a whole, 'fake news', or the 'enemy'.

I don't see where it's childish to point out something that hasn't happened in politics EVER.  You do.  That's your opinion.  But I will never back down on this.  45's rhetoric is dangerous right now.  Even some in his own party acknowledge this.  Why is it so difficult for others.

And stop using the boilerplate 'it's politics'.  No, it's not.

[AquaMan]

erp, for contrast to #45 consider this view of government/press relations in a changing world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMbmdFOvTs&feature=share

[Cats Cats Cats]

The list of what Obama did is definitely not right.  I can understand on some potential national security issues that they would try to figure out who the leaks are.  Much like Trump is doing now.  Fake News and descredited the news is one thing.  You have some great articles about what Obama did. And those are so far worse than what Trump has done.
I'm not sure we have gone a day without at least one attack on the media. Its very weird and it has escalated.  Just because there is due process doesn't mean you can't get arrested.  When it stops escalating people will have a reason to calm down.  The trajectory currently isn't good.

[erfalf]

The list of what Obama did is definitely not right.  I can understand on some potential national security issues that they would try to figure out who the leaks are.  Much like Trump is doing now.  Fake News and descredited the news is one thing.  You have some great articles about what Obama did. And those are so far worse than what Trump has done.
I'm not sure we have gone a day without at least one attack on the media. Its very weird and it has escalated.  Just because there is due process doesn't mean you can't get arrested.  When it stops escalating people will have a reason to calm down.  The trajectory currently isn't good.

Fair enough, I'll grant you that. I didn't say Trump wasn't a childish ignoramus for goodness sake (he is). And he says incredibly incendiary things (he does). But his actions thus far do not warrant the hyperbole that I see on a daily basis.

And thus far it is politics. While it may not be politics in the same vein that we are accustomed, I think Trump (or those directing him what to do) thinks this will aide him in accomplishing whatever it is he wants to accomplish. I see Trump as more of a provacator, as I imagine many around the world do. A side show of sorts. However, I just don't see that really translating into the doom and gloom that I read every day.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Fair enough, I'll grant you that. I didn't say Trump wasn't a childish ignoramus for goodness sake (he is). And he says incredibly incendiary things (he does). But his actions thus far do not warrant the hyperbole that I see on a daily basis.

Actually, his actions warrant criminal prosecution.  At least for the pedophilia activities.   And inviting Russia to hack the US government is pretty much the definition of treason.

And his actions thus far warrant much more hyperbole than seen in a daily basis.  Except to his apologists.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Trifecta...maybe it will get to someone.


https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/1295228900491644/

[Hoss]

Trifecta...maybe it will get to someone.


https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/1295228900491644/

Don't have to worry about it for me...I watched every episode and wished there would have been more seasons...

[heironymouspasparagus]

It has become dramatically more pertinent since 2012.  And visibly more so every day for the last month or so.

[Cats Cats Cats]

On the news at CPAC "They shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody's name" -Trump

[swake]

Trump's now taking a fourth vacation in his first five weeks, four weekends in a row. Going back to the club to drum up some more of that sweet, sweet membership fee money, mingling with the common folk. And going to meet with major Republican donors, you know, the billionaires and Goldman Sachs execs that didn't pay quite enough to actually be in his cabinet. Trump just keeps on draining that swamp.

And this means another $3 million to taxpayers for his vacay. That's $12 million in one month. At that rate he's going to cost us ~$148 million in a year for vacations. That's not even counting what is spent for his sons to go all over the world on "business" and his wife to stay in New York.

$148 million is a good number too. Because that's how much the fed spends annually on the National Endowment for the Arts. Funding the White House wants to end, you know, to "save money". Fiscal responsibility first and all.

[Hoss]

Trump's now taking a fourth vacation in his first five weeks, four weekends in a row. Going back to the club to drum up some more of that sweet, sweet membership fee money, mingling with the common folk. And going to meet with major Republican donors, you know, the billionaires and Goldman Sachs execs that didn't pay quite enough to actually be in his cabinet. Trump just keeps on draining that swamp.

And this means another $3 million to taxpayers for his vacay. That's $12 million in one month. At that rate he's going to cost us ~$148 million in a year for vacations. That's not even counting what is spent for his sons to go all over the world on "business" and his wife to stay in New York.

$148 million is a good number too. Because that's how much the fed spends annually on the National Endowment for the Arts. Funding the White House wants to end, you know, to "save money". Fiscal responsibility first and all.

Wasn't Trump the one who said he wouldn't be taking any golfing vacations because he'd be 'too busy'.  Yeah, like I thought that's how it would play out.

I keep hearing Danny DeVito's Penguin character from Batman Returns "You gotta admit, I played this city like a harp from hell" when I hear of stuff like this.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Trump's now taking a fourth vacation in his first five weeks, four weekends in a row. Going back to the club to drum up some more of that sweet, sweet membership fee money, mingling with the common folk. And going to meet with major Republican donors, you know, the billionaires and Goldman Sachs execs that didn't pay quite enough to actually be in his cabinet. Trump just keeps on draining that swamp.

And this means another $3 million to taxpayers for his vacay. That's $12 million in one month. At that rate he's going to cost us ~$148 million in a year for vacations. That's not even counting what is spent for his sons to go all over the world on "business" and his wife to stay in New York.

$148 million is a good number too. Because that's how much the fed spends annually on the National Endowment for the Arts. Funding the White House wants to end, you know, to "save money". Fiscal responsibility first and all.

I am gonna blatantly plagiarize this....  Thanks!!