President Trump- The Implications

[Conan71]

The way he talked about his phones being tapped was out of 1960's era spy movies. Comical and childish.

i didn't catch the inflection since it was done 140 characters or less at a time

[cannon_fodder]

This could get very interesting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-for-obama-wiretap-claims-relies-on-sketchy-anonymously-sourced-reports/?utm_term=.00635692426f

[Conan71]

This could get very interesting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-for-obama-wiretap-claims-relies-on-sketchy-anonymously-sourced-reports/?utm_term=.00635692426f

Perhaps he got it from the National Enquirier? 

This guy gets more bizarre by the day.

[swake]

i didn't catch the inflection since it was done 140 characters or less at a time

This specifically:

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

That sounds like they went into his office and put a bug in his desk phone and are across the street in a van listening it. That's not how it works. If they are listening to your calls, they (FBI, NSA, whoever) present a warrant to your telecom providers and are logging into the phone switch remotely and are copying all the data that flows to and from your phone, not just phone calls. They don't care where in the world you and phone are, be it cell phone or land line. Trump Tower isn't "tapped", Trump Tower is irrelevant.

[erfalf]

This could get very interesting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-for-obama-wiretap-claims-relies-on-sketchy-anonymously-sourced-reports/?utm_term=.00635692426f

Let me preface this by saying that what I am about to say is in no way making a claim one way or another on the matter at hand.

That being said, I find it quite comical to read an article decrying anonymous sources from the Washington Post. Come on, now that's funny stuff right?

[cannon_fodder]

That being said, I find it quite comical to read an article decrying anonymous sources from the Washington Post. Come on, now that's funny stuff right?

You mean the very thing the Washington Post talked about in the article?

It's certainly ironic that the Trump White House — which has heavily criticized articles relying on anonymous sources — now relies on articles based on anonymous sources that cite information that has not  been confirmed by any U.S. news organization. It would be amusing if it were not so sad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-for-obama-wiretap-claims-relies-on-sketchy-anonymously-sourced-reports/?utm_term=.325e7b820d55

[erfalf]

You mean the very thing the Washington Post talked about in the article?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-for-obama-wiretap-claims-relies-on-sketchy-anonymously-sourced-reports/?utm_term=.325e7b820d55

Exactly.

They are complaining about something that in the same breath they are doing. Just funny that's all.

[cannon_fodder]

Exactly.

They are complaining about something that in the same breath they are doing. Just funny that's all.

Completely a false equivalency.  The Post examined the claim in detail.  They don't just laugh it off because the source isn't revealed.  They look at available evidence, other outlets attempts at finding sources, and the credibility of the outlets citing the anonymous sources.

A major news outlet like the Washington Post, BBC, New York Times, CNN, the WSJ or Fox News puts its credibility on the line even when using trusted anonymous sources. When they are wrong it costs them credibility, damages the brand, reduces viewership/readership, loses revenue, and people can get fired.   They are wrong sometimes and are forced to eat crow, but the vast majority of the time they turn out to be correct. It usually makes news when they are wrong - their competitors love to point it out.

When fringe news sites repeat conspiracy theories with no evidence, they suffer no consequence when they are wrong.  Day in and day out, the internet shrugs and moves on.  An outlet citing anonymous sources for captive aliens at Area 51 does not have the same credibility as the Wall Street Journal reporting insider trading, just because they both cited anonymous sources.  Its a false equivalency. 

Seriously, go read the article I linked.  Ready any article on it that tries to unravel the "sources" of the "Obama wire tapped me" claims. 

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/examining-trumps-wiretap-claim/
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/06/media/mark-levin-joel-pollak-breitbart-trump-obama/

Also worth noting that your response is lock-step with PR machine of the administration:

Both Sanders and Conway said the president is the victim of a double standard, in which reporting on ties between individuals close to Trump and the Russian government is allowed but the allegation of illegal wiretapping by Obama is dismissed and criticized. Conway complained that anonymous sources are too often given credence in negative stories about the president and then ignored "when it may be something positive or exculpatory."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donald-trump-wiretapping-obama-aides-response-235719

[swake]

I personally would like to see Trump's evidence. Does he keep that evidence in the same folder with his voter fraud evidence? Because after all this time it would be good to see that too. You know the evidence of 3-5 million  fraudulent votes that he gave to Pence's blue ribbon investigation team that he announced a month ago. You know, that could be serious, like make every election nationally invalid serious.

We need a Do Over here.


Maybe he's also got all that stuff on Obama's birth certificate there too?

[heironymouspasparagus]

When fringe news sites repeat conspiracy theories with no evidence, they suffer no consequence when they are wrong.  Day in and day out, the internet shrugs and moves on.  An outlet citing anonymous sources for captive aliens at Area 51 does not have the same credibility as the Wall Street Journal reporting insider trading, just because they both cited anonymous sources.  Its a false equivalency. 

And why wouldn't the alien source be credible??  It's on the internet - and they can't lie if it's on the internet....

http://www.dreamlandresort.com/

[guido911]

Perhaps he got it from the National Enquirier? 

This guy gets more bizarre by the day.

National Enquirer nailed Clenis. just sayin.

[guido911]

Perfectly rationale behavior. Language warning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmLfCHF3skk

[Conan71]

I keep conjuring Captain Queeg.

[Conan71]

All humor aside, Trump has done nothing to endear himself to the intelligence community and DOJ which seems pretty dangerous to me.  Our national security depends on a good and reliable relationship between intel and the executive branch, something that does not appear to be the case now.

The other part is, I imagine the intelligence community knows far more about Trump and his past than just the allegations of playing around with Russian hookers.  I don't think I'd love with these guys if I were him, even if he thinks it's serving a purpose of distraction, something he seems to be a master at.

This was a pretty good op-ed I read over lunch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/03/06/daily-202-wiretapping-allegations-accomplished-what-trump-wanted-but-may-backfire-bigly/58bca8bde9b69b1406c75d42/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_daily202-1045a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4b829b7cbd65

[swake]

Yesterday, Sunday, my family went to church at my wife's parents church as part of spending the day with my wife's mother, it was her birthday. It's a small Native American church, American Baptist. They had a group of visitors from Bacone College, kids studying ministry at Bacone.

All these kids are from Burma, immigrants, refugees. They came to America to escape the persecution of Christians and the poverty in Burma. They shared stories about their lives before they came here. Houses with no beds that rainwater just moved right through. Lack of food, no doctors. Soldiers destroying make shift homes and killing relatives, running for their very lives and never seeing their families again. It was very moving. I was inspired that these young people had overcome so much and now are on the verge of graduating from college. That they came here and can be part of our great American experiment is our strength as a country.

And today Trump put back into place his refugee ban.