President Trump- The Implications

[TeeDub]

As if he has had anything to do with it...  Maybe he will fix the Mideast, too!  As long as we are indulging in drug induced fantasies...

If history proves anything, it is that merit has nothing to do with it....   Just look at Obama.    Even he was surprised that he won.   (He didn't realize the voting machines were already fixed at this point.)

[patric]

I can't wait to see Trump get the Nobel peace prize for ending a war that has been ravaging two countries for 68 years.

You dont have to wait; he's taking the credit now.  History will get it right eventually, and our grandchildren will have a good laugh.
Now on to finding a cabinet position for Kanye West.

[heironymouspasparagus]

If history proves anything, it is that merit has nothing to do with it....   Just look at Obama.    Even he was surprised that he won.   (He didn't realize the voting machines were already fixed at this point.)

Lol...

[swake]

I can't wait to see Trump get the Nobel peace prize for ending a war that has been ravaging two countries for 68 years.

He's not even at the table negotiating. This is between the Koreas now and we have been shut out.

[erfalf]

He's not even at the table negotiating. This is between the Koreas now and we have been shut out.

It appears that people that I would dare say know more about this than anyone here, but does share your unbridled disdain for Trump, is diverging from you all's consensus that Trump had absolutely nothing to do with...well anything.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/04/a_nobel_peace_prize_for_donald_trump.html

His account was probably hacked though, so...

And don't be too hard on Obama for winning the prize. He did figure out how to convert Oxygen to Carbon Dioxide. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

And in a show of the reality of who is against Religious Freedom  AND  Freedom of Speech, at exactly the same time - Paul Ryan pushes out the House Chaplain who prayed for this country.   Of course...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-chaplain-prayed-gop-tax-224334707.html

[TeeDub]

And in a show of the reality of who is against Religious Freedom  AND  Freedom of Speech, at exactly the same time - Paul Ryan pushes out the House Chaplain who prayed for this country.   Of course...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-chaplain-prayed-gop-tax-224334707.html

If you want to believe that was the reason, I have a bridge to sell you.    Maybe the subsidies ran out?

[heironymouspasparagus]

If you want to believe that was the reason, I have a bridge to sell you.    Maybe the subsidies ran out?

So you don't even believe the good Christian Chaplain who stated the reason, nor the two Republican sources who also said that was the reason??   Sounds about right...for someone who excuses assault and attempted murder by saying, "So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything, right?"


Do tell...exactly how would you interpret the Chaplain's event??  

Perhaps he brought it on himself for saying something like;

"God of the universe, we give You thanks for giving us another day. Bless the Members of this assembly as they set upon the work of these hours, of these days. Help them to make wise decisions in a good manner and to carry their responsibilities steadily, with high hopes for a better future for our great Nation. As legislation on taxes continues to be debated this week and next, may all Members be mindful that the institutions and structures of our great Nation guarantee the opportunities that have allowed some to achieve great success, while others continue to struggle. May their efforts these days guarantee that there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans. May Your blessing, O God, be with them and with us all this day and every day to come, and may all we do be done for Your greater honor and glory. Amen."


How dare him pray for all House members and all Americans!!??

[Hoss]

If you want to believe that was the reason, I have a bridge to sell you.    Maybe the subsidies ran out?

For someone who has repeatedly stated that you don't like Cheeto Jesus, you sure act like you're carrying his water.  Just an observation though.

[heironymouspasparagus]

For someone who has repeatedly stated that you don't like Cheeto Jesus, you sure act like you're carrying his water.  Just an observation though.

In exactly the same vein as those who claim not to ever watch or listen to Fake Fox News, yet quote The Script, line and verse.



In great part, he is just trying to 'tweak' me for being an assertive, ongoing, presenter of the truth about Trump around here.  Doesn't like it, much like most Trump Minions don't like it.

[Conan71]

He's not even at the table negotiating. This is between the Koreas now and we have been shut out.

Not true.  I heard KJU, Drumpf, and Dennis Rodman were supposed to meet for a game of horse.

[TeeDub]

For someone who has repeatedly stated that you don't like Cheeto Jesus, you sure act like you're carrying his water.  Just an observation though.

Heh.  I had to google the term "Cheeto Jesus."   Was he even involved in this?

I really don't know or care about the guy.   I just did a quick google and saw that apparently he got a bunch of push back from Pelosi a few years ago over some sex scandal stuff (he was vaguely tied to paying off a Catholic sex scandal.)    With such a sudden dismissal, I would be something is coming out and everyone is distancing themselves.

[cannon_fodder]

If peace is achieved in Korea - I'm happy to see Trump take credit.

It's entirely possible than a manic and bizarre US approach to the problem was effective when dealing with a manic and bizarre dictator.  N. Korea might have felt they were no longer dealing with a rational actor in the US so reached out to S. Korea.  S. Korea might have felt like the US was no longer a reliable partner, so they were happy to deal with N. Korea directly. Previously, N. Korea felt the US would be rational and restrained, S. Korea felt confident that the US would maintain the status quo as it always had - the equation changed.  I have no indication that was our diplomatic intention, but if it works out... what the hell.

Or - maybe the collapse of the research/test facility was essentially fatal to the program, so may as well make a show of "giving it up" and get what you can.

Or - maybe the dictator has executed too many scientists, or is losing support, or otherwise needs to change the paradigm to maintain power.

Or - this could be like the previous few times N. Korea "gave up" its nuclear program, only to see it not actually happen.

But --- if it works out under Trump, he can take credit for it.  At very least the administration will need to stay out of the way, if not actually help.  Take the credit, that's often how being President works (and that's a two way street, if something goes to hell... the "credit" falls on you too).

[heironymouspasparagus]

If peace is achieved in Korea - I'm happy to see Trump take credit.

It's entirely possible than a manic and bizarre US approach to the problem was effective when dealing with a manic and bizarre dictator.  N. Korea might have felt they were no longer dealing with a rational actor in the US so reached out to S. Korea.  S. Korea might have felt like the US was no longer a reliable partner, so they were happy to deal with N. Korea directly. Previously, N. Korea felt the US would be rational and restrained, S. Korea felt confident that the US would maintain the status quo as it always had - the equation changed.  I have no indication that was our diplomatic intention, but if it works out... what the hell.

Or - maybe the collapse of the research/test facility was essentially fatal to the program, so may as well make a show of "giving it up" and get what you can.

Or - maybe the dictator has executed too many scientists, or is losing support, or otherwise needs to change the paradigm to maintain power.

Or - this could be like the previous few times N. Korea "gave up" its nuclear program, only to see it not actually happen.

But --- if it works out under Trump, he can take credit for it.  At very least the administration will need to stay out of the way, if not actually help.  Take the credit, that's often how being President works (and that's a two way street, if something goes to hell... the "credit" falls on you too).

This one;

Or - this could be like the previous few times N. Korea "gave up" its nuclear program, only to see it not actually happen.


He has to find a new mountain to test under.  The only thing that has changed in the whole dynamic is that N Korea now is bargaining from a position of relative strength than previous times - they have long range missiles.  They have proven fission devices.  

They are buying time to let the new conditions become "normal" to the west - like they have done for the last 6 decades.

Don't think it will happen this go 'round, but their desire is for the US to withdraw just a little bit more.  Take our nukes out of the region.  Reduce or eliminate our troops stationed there.  His nukes just keep our nukes from being sent when he sends his 4 million man army south.  S Korea has about 400,000 army.  We have 35,000 or so - if we pull out, all they have to do is start walking south.  S Korea would not be able to shoot fast enough to stop that, even if the North wasn't shooting back the whole time.

[TeeDub]

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- South Korean President Moon Jae-in has shaken off a suggestion that he receive the Nobel Peace Prize, saying that U.S. President Donald Trump "can take the Nobel prize" as long as the Koreas receive peace in return.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_KOREAS_TENSIONS?SITE=TXMCA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2018-04-30-10-03-53



Hahahaha..   Even I think this would be priceless.