President Trump- The Implications

[heironymouspasparagus]

I'm not weighing in on this whole running topic, as "context" is important on both sides.   I do think that generally the GOP has talked a good game as far as budget and deficit, but never really lived up to it.  The Dems on the other hand, just generally seem not to care.  Not sure which is worse...

Check the Federal debt history page - goes back to 1790.  You can even cut/paste the data into a spreadsheet and graph it 6 ways from Sunday.   Your comment is right on - the Repubs TALK about "tax and spend".  And then they spend like drunken sailors.  

Dems are just about as disorganized as when Will Rogers mentioned them 80 years ago - they care very much about tax/spend but just can't get organized to overcome the drunken spending habits of Repubs.  Except for small, intermittent efforts like when Clinton and Obama were around.  Can't maintain the momentum because people love to believe the lies that we can have everything - every war we want! - and eat it too!  

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Will_Rogers



There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.  --Will Rogers.

[patric]

Trump, Kristall.night, and the gulf between unpopular political belief and murder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/07/subpoena-for-app-called-discord-could-unmask-identities-of-charlottesville-white-supremacists/

[heironymouspasparagus]

Trump, Kristall.night, and the gulf between unpopular political belief and murder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/08/07/subpoena-for-app-called-discord-could-unmask-identities-of-charlottesville-white-supremacists/

And the Constitution says 'free' speech - not anonymous speech...

[patric]

And the Constitution says 'free' speech - not anonymous speech...

But... But... they're entitled!

"I demand to be protected from the threat of violence after I planned violence!"

[heironymouspasparagus]

National Socialist....Democratic Socialist.  According to Trump, one is "fine people"...the other not.   Viewer, you make up your own mind.  And you shall be known by your "works"....

[cannon_fodder]

And the Constitution says 'free' speech - not anonymous speech...

This isn't an opinion on the ruling in question, since I haven't look at it close enough to form an intelligent opinion, but...

...your blanket statement is treading on dangerous ground here.  The history of anonymous speech in the United States dates back beyond the founding of our nation. Many of the founding fathers utilized anonymous pamphlets, flyers, and letters to spread their ideals. Since then, many political scandals and matters of national importance have been brought to light because of anonymous speech.  It has long been protected, and unpopular speech is in need of more protection that any other.

Great primer on the topic:
https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity

Again, not an opinion on the exact case in question.  Just the dismissive blanket statement.

[cannon_fodder]

New York Republican Rep. Chris Collins has been charged with alleged securities fraud, wire fraud and false statements, the Justice Department announced Wednesday.

Collins, who was the first sitting member of Congress to endorse Trump's presidential bid, surrendered this morning at his attorney's office in Manhattan, according to the FBI.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/chris-collins-indicted-insider-trading/index.html


#draintheswamp

[patric]

The history of anonymous speech in the United States dates back beyond the founding of our nation. Many of the founding fathers utilized anonymous pamphlets, flyers, and letters to spread their ideals. Since then, many political scandals and matters of national importance have been brought to light because of anonymous speech.  It has long been protected, and unpopular speech is in need of more protection that any other.

Anonymous speech isnt really the problem, just people who use anonymity to propel unprotected or "hate" speech.

You still cant yell "fire" in a crowded theater.  Likewise, protected speech generally doesnt include
   Obscenity.
   Fighting words.
   Defamation (including libel and slander)
   Child pornography.
   Perjury.
   Blackmail.
   Incitement to imminent lawless action.
   True threats.

Pro-Fascists groups acting under Trump's encouragement claim to travel the country to seek out and confront people who they say limit their free speech, but the reality is their version of free speech was already limited by the courts, the law, and those sworn to uphold the law.

[heironymouspasparagus]

This isn't an opinion on the ruling in question, since I haven't look at it close enough to form an intelligent opinion, but...

...your blanket statement is treading on dangerous ground here.  The history of anonymous speech in the United States dates back beyond the founding of our nation. Many of the founding fathers utilized anonymous pamphlets, flyers, and letters to spread their ideals. Since then, many political scandals and matters of national importance have been brought to light because of anonymous speech.  It has long been protected, and unpopular speech is in need of more protection that any other.

Great primer on the topic:
https://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity

Again, not an opinion on the exact case in question.  Just the dismissive blanket statement.

Yeah - that is exactly what I intended.  To be a dismissive blanket statement...I was kinda trying for some subtle sarcasm and it was too subtle.  Don't really have an opinion on that other than the guy is a whiner.  If he wants to run with the big dogs, he has gotta stop peeing like a puppy!!



I enjoy anonymity as much as possible...want to just lurk in the bushes watching all that goes on.  In real life, I especially appreciate the Japanese Proverb, "出る釘は打たれる".   ("The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.")

[heironymouspasparagus]

Hey, Minions....  do you people even ever listen to yourselves...??


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/pentagon-vice-president-pence-tout-groundwork-future-space-162515004.html

[heironymouspasparagus]

Minions United.!!!


https://www.yahoo.com/news/secret-tapes-reveal-devin-nunes-165121766.html

[dbacksfan 2.0]

Hey, Minions....  do you people even ever listen to yourselves...??


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/pentagon-vice-president-pence-tout-groundwork-future-space-162515004.html

A new report released on Wednesday by the Center for a New American Security highlights the vulnerabilities the Pentagon has in space, and calls for a shift in strategy to safeguard it and prepare for conflict there. It's written by senior fellow Elbridge Colby, a former member of the presidential campaign staff of Gov. W. Mitt Romney (R.-Mass.), and argues that potential adversaries like China and Russia have noticed the degree to which the United States is reliant on its "space architecture," and begun to seek ways to threaten it.

"Indeed, many observers have noted that these potential opponents judge the U.S. space architecture to be the Achilles' heel' of U.S. military power, in light of the depth of American reliance on theses systems and the vulnerability of the U.S. military satellite architecture," the report said.

From the Washington Post January 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/27/space-warfare-with-russia-and-china-pentagon-urged-to-prepare-for-it/?utm_term=.5e07d494015a

And the paper that was written by the Pentagon, so this research and idea dates back to 2015.

https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/from-sanctuary-to-battlefield-a-framework-for-a-us-defense-and-deterrence-strategy-for-space

Actually, the research has been going on for years but China took it up a notch under baby Bush's time at the helm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/18/world/asia/18cnd-china.html

[guido911]

CNN is reporting that Trump May be close to shutting down Mueller. Finally some good news. Need to move on

[heironymouspasparagus]

From the Washington Post January 2016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/27/space-warfare-with-russia-and-china-pentagon-urged-to-prepare-for-it/?utm_term=.5e07d494015a

And the paper that was written by the Pentagon, so this research and idea dates back to 2015.

https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/from-sanctuary-to-battlefield-a-framework-for-a-us-defense-and-deterrence-strategy-for-space

Actually, the research has been going on for years but China took it up a notch under baby Bush's time at the helm.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/18/world/asia/18cnd-china.html

We have had the space force as part of the Air Force since the 40's - right after the first rocket flew in this country.   That's over 1/4 the life of the country.  It's almost as long as there has been an Air Force.  They have done a great job with it.  These are the experts in all things from ground level up - they have been going there for decades.  We recognized long ago that if we don't at least have an overwhelming presence in space, we are truly doomed.  By overwhelming, I mean the ability to obliterate totally.  (It IS the current version of MAD.)  They are the ones that have been doing space for all that time...leave it where it belongs. 


Why, if these people are so much about efficiency in government, reducing the 'size' of govt., and making better use of resources, would they want another large bureaucracy?   The Pentagon doesn't want that - and they are the experts!   Well, except for that font of all knowledge...Trump!   (Everyone get the intense sarcasm, irony, and disgust over his record of calling our General staff stupid, and insulting and calling our POW's cowards...?? )


And more importantly, how would splitting up the Air Force improve anything??

[heironymouspasparagus]

CNN is reporting that Trump May be close to shutting down Mueller. Finally some good news. Need to move on

Only if it means we are lost as a country and civilization.  But then, I shouldn't be surprised, since it has been so long since we were a "rule of law" country.   Oh, wait,...what...?