Towerview Apartments

[Leah]

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

Wrinkle, PRH... so eager to be an apologist for an absentee slum lord.

Meanwhile, he's doing real damage to downtown. The comment about how the city has scared off private developers is laughable compared to what this guy has done to scare off developers.

The L-shaped property that TDA owns in that block was put up for sale at fair market value of $1.6 million according to the paper. That's for a patch of land about 58,000 square feet - or about 8 times the size of the Towerview lot, for which the slum lord wants over $2 million. Do the math. That's $27.50/ft for the TDA lot versus more than $260/ft for the Towerview lot, which includes a condemned building that has to be scraped.

So potential developers have 2 choices -- 1. pay the out of state slum lord through the nose for the property or 2. build around it. Of course, who would build a multi-million dollar development adjacent to a condemned flop house?

But according to the brain trust of PRH Wrinkle & Associates, it's the CITY that's scaring off developers. Suuuuuuure it is.

This guy from Oregon has no interest in helping Tulsa one bit. If the Towerview continues to rot, gets knocked down, holds up other developments, he doesn't care. He's just looking to hit the jackpot.

If you're more interested in helping an out-of-state slum lord extort every dollar he can out of his boarded-up flophouse at the expense of the new development that we spent millions of taxpayers dollars to attract, then you're not in favor of helping Tulsa move forward.

I guess you don't know the difference between an RFP and a Typical Property sale. RFP is "Request For Proposal" with conditions that would meet the entity that submitted the RFP. Do more research before you assume a price per sq. foot. AND Concorde Development has been paying a mortgage on a vacant building that the city shut down for over two years. If you drive down a few blocks away and look at the building across from the closed now supermarket by HW 51. That building is the replica of towerview and it is in same or worse condition than towerview when it was open. It is still in operation and it seems that the city has no problem with it. What a double standard...if we let the city manipulate the private property owners as they need, then we are no different than a third world country. Let this guy receive what he deserves from his investment. The problem here is how can we let the let the government take a private property from a private owner and then turn around and give it to another private entity so it can reap the benefits. How about if someone took your real estate...it being your home...whatever...and doing the same thing?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Leah

quote:Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

Wrinkle, PRH... so eager to be an apologist for an absentee slum lord.

Meanwhile, he's doing real damage to downtown. The comment about how the city has scared off private developers is laughable compared to what this guy has done to scare off developers.

The L-shaped property that TDA owns in that block was put up for sale at fair market value of $1.6 million according to the paper. That's for a patch of land about 58,000 square feet - or about 8 times the size of the Towerview lot, for which the slum lord wants over $2 million. Do the math. That's $27.50/ft for the TDA lot versus more than $260/ft for the Towerview lot, which includes a condemned building that has to be scraped.

So potential developers have 2 choices -- 1. pay the out of state slum lord through the nose for the property or 2. build around it. Of course, who would build a multi-million dollar development adjacent to a condemned flop house?

But according to the brain trust of PRH Wrinkle & Associates, it's the CITY that's scaring off developers. Suuuuuuure it is.

This guy from Oregon has no interest in helping Tulsa one bit. If the Towerview continues to rot, gets knocked down, holds up other developments, he doesn't care. He's just looking to hit the jackpot.

If you're more interested in helping an out-of-state slum lord extort every dollar he can out of his boarded-up flophouse at the expense of the new development that we spent millions of taxpayers dollars to attract, then you're not in favor of helping Tulsa move forward.

I guess you dont know the difference between an RFP and a Typical Property sale.  RFP is "Request For Proposal"  with conditions that would meet the entity that submitted the RFP.  Do more research before you assume a price per sq. foot.  AND  Concorde Development has been paying a morgage on a vacant building that the city shut down for over two years.  If you drive down a few blocks away and look at the building accross from the closed now supermarket by HW 51.  That building is the replica of towerview and it is in same or worse condition than towerview when it was open.  It is still in operation and it seems that the city has no problem with it. What a double standard...if we let the city manipulate the private property owners as they need, then we are no differant than a third world country.  Let this guy recieve what he diserves from his investment.  The problem here is how can we let the let the government take a private property from a private owner and then turn around and give it to another private entity so it can reap the benefits.  How about if someone took your real estate...it being your home...whatever...and doing the same thing?

Actually, that building across from the former Homeland store is something the city has been trying to get rid at least since I lived in the area  more than 15 years ago. It's a halfway house for newly released DOC prisoners and the city wants it gone but has failed in its efforts. For example, out of all of downtown, where was the "Grand Central Library" going to be located? Right on top of that building.

And I don't think anyone is advocating taking the Towerview without compensation. I think we all just want the deal done. I say pay him his two million dollars (minus whatever insurance pays for the fire) and be done with it.

[Leah]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by PRH

I've been a landlord and I have to wonder why the tenants didn't move out if the Towerview was as bad as the paper described?  

Maybe it's because the rent was consistent with the conditions.

Or maybe the newspaper brought their own rats and trash and junked the place up for another Whirled do-gooder article.  There's nothing I wouldn't put past the newspaper....they've lost their credibility with me a long time ago.

Maybe the tenants of the Towerview prefered a roof over their head than to sleep on the sidewalks.

My point is, when you don't have much money, you don't have much housing choice, but anything is better than sleeping down by the railroad tracks or the river....something a few of you on this forum should try, before you pass such self-righteous judgement on the Towerview.  

Sometimes I wonder where some of you Tulsa Now posters got your brains from.  The tenants of the Towerview are worse off now than they were...but you do-gooders now feel good about yourselves, and that's all that matters to you.  Never mind the people who have been displaced to the streets.

And if the Towerview was operated this way for the past 20 years, why was it all of the sudden so important to condemn it?  Could it be because the new owner is not contributing enough money under the table?

The Towerview was not closed to punish the people living there and it wasn't closed because of the conditions. It was closed by the owner for refusing to pay correct the conditions. That's the owner's choice. And if you are a landlord, you know that six months can be a very long time for a multi-dwelling unit to go without repairs. Conditions can change drastically in that short a time-frame if no money is being put into the building.

Swake, I think you need to do your research on this building....it didn't take "six months" for this building to be in the condition that it is in now....its been like this for years.  He bought it after it had been running like this for years.  And might I remind everyone who thinks this company is slumlord...he did attempt to live up to the city's demands of getting the building up to code in TEN DAYS.  He just couldn't fix the problem in the amount of time...even if appeal and get it extended, the amount of days still wouldn't have been enough time!  So he closed it down and made plans to build condos!  Then!  He accepted the offer from HH!  Then  then went down the drain!  Now?  He is planning to demo the building and turn it into condos!  Is this a Slum lord or a Developer!  Let him Prove himself!  and to comment on your last comment, I would like to see the someone offer a "reasonable offer"  Lets see that happen!  But I think the city should actually act like he owns the building.  This is America and everyone has the right to "Own" Property!  And with that property across from the Supermarket, if the city really wanted to take that building they would have planted a reporter to stay there for two weeks and report how horrible it was, then have 14 inspectors and police rampage the building to shut it down.  But they haven't done that yet have they?

[waterboy]

Agreed. Refer to my post on 1.23. The people who own/owned these multi-story tenement slums are most likely fairly well connected. Drugs, crime, poverty make for a powerful cash flow.

Pay the man his money and lets get on with our rat killing.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Well, now you are being just plain silly.

Besides, if you base your knowledge on the Tulsa World, well, you know less than not reading anything at all.

You're starting to sound like the gang who railroaded this guy.

HELLO.  HAVE YOU NO SHAME?  HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF DECENCY?

PLEASE enlighten me as to which part of this article is a lie...  

Substandard Housing: It's the weekly rental blues
MICHAEL OVERALL World Staff Writer
09/26/2004

Editor's Note: The TOWERVIEW Apartments offers
by-the-week rent with few questions asked. The
building stands in the future shadow of the planned $183 million downtown arena. Tulsa World reporter Michael Overall spent two weeks in July living in the building. This is the first of three stories on his experiences there. The room looks dark even with the blinds open and the afternoon sun blazing outside. The light, apparently, is too intimidated to come in.

Cobwebs are hanging from the corners. Paint is
chipping off the ceiling. The walls have holes in them, and there's enough dust on the floor to leave footprints....

Shame?...Decency?....

The only thing missing in the story is the smudged faced crack baby with a dirty diaper, but I haven't read the other two installments in awhile, it could be in there. Then again, he had to keep it toned down enough to prevent a required immediate SWAT team attack. Save that for later, if necessary. It reads like one of Letterman's embellishments.

But, it did the job. Followed closely by coordinated Health Department and Fire Marshall inspections.

I've yet to get an answer to my question of from whom he purchased the building. As I said, they're far more guilty of its' condition than the current owner. And, ostensibly, that's a local person who 'cares' for Tulsa.

They sold it for (other posting as resource) $750,000. According to Average Joe stats, that's around $100/sq. ft.

So, how long would you consider a sale offer of $27.50/sq. ft on a property you just purchased for almost four times that amount? He also did, apparently, have a $1 million contract for sale, which somehow was 'cancelled' just before the City actions. It's always nice when one retains the ability to just cancel contracts whenever it suits, especially if it costs nothing.

Besides, the $1.6 Million land value of the RFP (not an offer of sale on the 'open market') discounts the land value substantially, as a subsidy by Tulsa taxpayers (how nice of them).

I don't know if true market conditions would put the land value at, or over, $100/sq. ft (apparently, the Oregon investor seemed to think so when he bought in), but that means Tulsans are pitching in about $75/sq. foot for the land being 'given' to a developer.

Even if the land value were more appropriately placed at, say, $6 Million, from a developers' perspective, on even only a relatively small full-block development of $100 Million, land cost is a mere 6%. Hardly anything to raise a brow over. The guy handling the real estate transaction is getting that much, as is the bonding company and the architects, each. A $200 Million development (probably closer to what it would be) cuts the relative land cost in half to 3%.

Why Towerview, or land cost is even a fuss is the biggest question.

The reason is that somewhere along the line, someone here resents someone there from receiving that amount, and someone here can obtain the property for less, by the methods we've seen, show it on the books for more and pocket a couple million in the process. To me, you and him, that's a lot of money. To the development prospects, it's miniscule to the point of almost being negligible.

Even the arena initially put 10% of the funds into land acquisition, since representing around 6% due to project cost overruns. (Hmm, there's that 6% number again.)

Actually, the City also wants the citizens of Tulsa to 'pony' up another $60 Million in addition to all that for a hotel that they say cannot support itself. I guess that's because it's not right inside the arena. That's ten times market value of the land.

The only ones getting soaked on Towerview, and the balance of the land block, are the current owner and the citizens of Tulsa respectively.

So, perhaps, I should be asking you, or Average Joe, where your shame and sense of decency lies?

"I lived in an SRO for about 6 weeks... in a seedy area on the northside of Chicago... the area around the SRO was bad but the hotel was well-regulated by the city...... if it wasn't up to code, THE CHICAGO HEALTH DEPT WOULD SHUT IT DOWN IN A HEARTBEAT."

I've also lived in Chicago and know you'd be hard pressed to find any 'seedy' area on the northside, next to the Magnificent Mile, Oakton district or the Gold Coast. You'd have to go almost to Milwaukee before you pass through anything close to that. Maybe, it found you. Besides, Chicago is 700 miles from here and what they do there is of little consequence locally, unless your point was that Tulsa Health and Fire officials ignored their responsibilities for over 20 years before this guy owned it. Probably because they 'cared' about Tulsa, or the guy who owned it previously.

Just who was that anyway?

[jdb]

"Just who was that anyway?" - Wrinkle


Exellent post.
Stumbled over the begining of only one sentence.

Two Thumbs Up!

[carltonplace]

City moves toward possible purchase of Towerview By KEVIN CANFIELD World Staff Writer
1/25/2007

The Planning Commission votes to includes the blighted property in Tulsa's Urban Renewal Plan.
The city took an important first step Wednesday in the process it must follow to buy the Towerview Apartments, should that be the option it chooses.

In a unanimous vote, the Tulsa Metropolitan Area Planning Commission approved an amendment to the Urban Renewal Plan to include the Towerview property, finding that it was in accord with the city's Comprehensive Plan.

Approval of the amendment is required before the Tulsa Development Authority can acquire the property, which is at Cheyenne Avenue between Second and Third streets.

The Planning Commission is a recommending body only. The City Council will have the final say on the issue.


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[jdb]

Wonder how many drinks it would take to get Mark Schwartz talking?

I'll step up and offer to buy the first three rounds, jdb

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle
"I lived in an SRO for about 6 weeks... in a seedy area on the northside of Chicago... the area around the SRO was bad but the hotel was well-regulated by the city...... if it wasn't up to code, THE CHICAGO HEALTH DEPT WOULD SHUT IT DOWN IN A HEARTBEAT."

I've also lived in Chicago and know you'd be hard pressed to find any 'seedy' area on the northside, next to the Magnificent Mile, Oakton district or the Gold Coast. You'd have to go almost to Milwaukee before you pass through anything close to that. Maybe, it found you.

First, some of us never had mumsy and smarmy-wealthy-elistist Tulsa dadsy to pay for a Chicago Gold Coast studio..... second, there are ZERO single-room occupancy transient hotels next door to the Magnificent Mile, Oakton district?(Skokie?) or the Gold Coast...

Calling my bluff?

Ever been in Uptown off the Wilson "el"?  Or Little Vietnam off the Argyle stop?  Ever get off at the Granville "el" stop to see the sights?

Or even the Loyola/Rogers Park areas?  Or my old apt. off Devon/Western in Little Pakistan?

Instead of boring you with stories you refuse to take seriously from parts 2 and 3 of the Tulsa World's fall 2004 articles, I'll just compare notes:

After I finished this gig in Colorado...
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1758694

...had about 6 weeks before moving on to a 7-month job in Indianapolis... so a 12 month lease was impossible... and I was burned out on Chicago roommates, mostly due to the last borderline-psycho Vietnam-vet roommate who liked to grow his pot using a sunlamp in a locked hallway closet...

Anyway, I think the SRO hotel I stayed in was priced at either $110 or $120 per week and was located in Uptown... an area that ten years ago had lots of problems...  But I was adventurous and I knew the "hotel" was only a few blocks from The Riviera, The Aragon, and The Green Mill, a great old place for poetry slams, lounge music and zoot suit riots.

I walked into the SRO and a gruff woman at the front desk asked for my I.D.... then asked me for two paystubs (no credit checks here since it's assumed you'd fail it anyway)... since the paystubs were from outta state, I had to verify current employment... and no visitors allowed after 11pm...

Room was small, actually think I saw orange water the first time I tried the shower... but... any older building has about a 50/50 chance of that happening anyway.  Run the orange water until it turns clear-- rarely happens more than once.  Buy a Brita for tap water... be prepared for major investments in Liquid Plumber...

The cast of characters I remembered there reminds me of some of the people mentioned in part 2 & 3 of the TW's story... the guy with multiple tattoos, the couple who got thrown outta their parents place, the old geezer with his door wide open and the TV blaring away... the recovering alcoholic, the girl with orange hair, the guy working a few weeks on a cell tower, a woman with children who had to leave the husband-- don't know the details...

Were there drug dealers and prostitutes there?... probably.  Did I get people knocking on my door bumming for cigs/money... not that I can remember... was there serious crap going on down the street?  yes... in front of the building?  nope.

But the bedding was reasonable.  Cheap hard mattress with a few stains?  Yep.  Flea-ridden?  No.

http://aspin.asu.edu/hpn/archives/feb99/0050.html

quote:``The key to SRO housing is counseling and [rehabilitation]. ... It's not just housing. It's the whole person,'' Mayor Daley said.

The decision to picket Daley's South Loop town house to press for more SROs obviously got City Hall's attention, said John Donahue, executive director of the Chicago Coalition for the Homeless.

``He got the message. ... Homelessness is a solvable problem and this is part of the solution,'' he said.

Daley has been under fire as the number of SRO units dropped from 35,000 during the mid-1970s to 17,000 when he took office in 1989 and 15,000 today.

``The primary factor has been the increased value of the property,'' said Jean Butzen, executive director of Lakefront SRO. Deferred maintenance and declining resident incomes are other factors, she said.

Was I young and stupid for doing it?  Yes, especially after the tires on my $1000 1983 Honda Civic got slashed... but the place served its purpose... a temporary roof over my head and a place to sleep... and I saw the exterminator twice in the six weeks I was there...

Do these people from Oregon have any exterminator receipts?  When did they first visit their property?  Did they ever pay somebody to clean up after tenants when those people moved on and lost their security deposits???

6 months is a long time for most of us... an especially long time for the short term tenants who only stay for weeks at a time... long enough to hire exterminators... long enough to hire people to clean up... long enough to be DECENT landlords... long enough to visit the property you paid $750,000 for sight unseen...

My opinions on the Tulsa World?  Well, the Daily Disappointment (The Oklahoman) traditionally has seeked to mold/shape/influence public opinion by publishing editorials disguised as News Analysis on the front page... while the Tulsa World merely seeks to manipulate public opinion.... a daily newspaper with a political agenda???...... who knew?  [:O]

You know, when you pay $750,000 for a property directly across the street from the biggest taxpayer funded facility Tulsa's built in decades, maybe you should cover your butt and from a purely selfish capitalistic point of view "protect your investment" by maintaining LIVABLE conditions for your tenants who are paying $125 friggin' bucks a week to live in your hell-hole... lest a certain "somebody" should call the paper or the health dept. to shut you down...

Urban Myth:  Most slumlords are conservative Republicans.

My opinion:  Your typical slumlords are more likely to be the trial lawyers from the firm of Willie, Cheatham & Howe, who enjoy having income generating property AND a place where they can purchase their recreational drugs...

For all the current landlord's apologists who agree that "The only ones getting soaked on Towerview, and the balance of the land block, are the current owner and the citizens of Tulsa respectively" I ask this....

Where, exactly, is the current owner making a MILLION DOLLAR PROFIT the equivalent of "getting soaked?"  Because I wish I could live in that parallel universe...

[tim huntzinger]

Pics of demoltion posted on Flickr

The demolotion is supposed to be all done by Monday.  Lotsa onlookers on site.  The Cheyenne Ave wall should be fun to watch.

[RecycleMichael]

It's sad that we live in a town where it is harder to get a building permit than it is to get a demolition permit.

[Leah]

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Towerview coming down
By TOM DROEGE World Staff Writer
1/28/2007

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Owner has crew clearing the site

Opened in 1922, condemned in 2004 and gutted by fire a few weeks ago, the Towerview Apartments in downtown Tulsa began to come tumbling down on Saturday.

The structure, which sits in the shadow of the city's emerging arena, will take several days to remove, said officials with wrecking company DT Specialized Services.

As the four-story, brick structure met its dusty end, curious spectators stopped by throughout the day.

"It's pretty fascinating," said Jerry Pointer, watching the building collapse from the parking lot.

Workers were using bulldozers and a crane demolition tool to slowly cave in the structure. The debris will be hauled to a landfill.

Mark Schwartz, the attorney for the building's out-of-state owner, said the cornerstone from the Towerview Apartments will be saved to incorporate into a new development.

"We'll keep a little bit of Tulsa history," Schwartz said.

The owner, Luay Aljamal of Oregon, is considering lofts and retail space for the property, he said.

"My client is debating which kind of development he wants to proceed with," Schwartz said.

On Wednesday, a city board approved an

amendment to the Urban Renewal Plan to include the Towerview property. City Council approval of the amendment is required before the Tulsa Development Authority can acquire the property.

City Economic Development Director Don Himelfarb insists the city is not considering acquiring the property through eminent domain, despite conflicting claims by the owner's attorney.

"The city is not talking about eminent domain," Himelfarb said. "You've got a situation where the owner and his representative are trying to make it into something else."

Claiming the property through eminent domain because of a blight problem no longer is possible because the building will be gone soon, Schwartz said.

"Now that the building is being demolished, any claim that there is a blighted property for eminent domain . . . no longer stands," he said.

From a health and safety perspective, Himelfarb said it's a good thing that the old building is being torn down. Before it was closed, the Towerview offered pay-by-the-week lodging with few questions asked.

It was closed and boarded up in 2004 after the Tulsa City-County Health Department found a number of code violations that the owner would not repair.

After an early morning fire on Jan. 14, Schwartz said his client planned to raze the building.

While it's unclear what will replace the Towerview, one thing is certain: The city wants to have authority over the property's future. The nearby BOK Center is scheduled to open in 2008.

"Our position is very clear," Himelfarb said. "We are moving ahead to have the property put in the Urban Renewal Plan. It's one step at a time and we'll see where this leads."

The city economic development director doesn't know why there's so much interest in the Towerview.

"This is a non-story," he said. "There is so much else going on downtown." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Tom Droege 581-8361
tom.droege@tulsaworld.com




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This is good that this owner is trying to fight to keep his property. I think that it's neat that the owner is keeping the cornerstone above towerview's door. Lets see what plans are ahead. The lame excuse to take the building is gone and Don Himelfarb and Kathy Miller are a bunch of millionairs who say one thing and do another. This is a victory to the average Tulsans. Lets see what happens next.




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[tshane250]

quote: Workers were using bulldozers and a crane demolition tool to slowly cave in the structure. The debris will be hauled to a landfill.  

What, they are not going to try to reuse all those bricks?  Such a waste!

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Leah

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Towerview coming down
By TOM DROEGE World Staff Writer
1/28/2007

View in Print (PDF) Format



Owner has crew clearing the site

Opened in 1922, condemned in 2004 and gutted by fire a few weeks ago, the Towerview Apartments in downtown Tulsa began to come tumbling down on Saturday.

The structure, which sits in the shadow of the city's emerging arena, will take several days to remove, said officials with wrecking company DT Specialized Services.

As the four-story, brick structure met its dusty end, curious spectators stopped by throughout the day.

"It's pretty fascinating," said Jerry Pointer, watching the building collapse from the parking lot.

Workers were using bulldozers and a crane demolition tool to slowly cave in the structure. The debris will be hauled to a landfill.

Mark Schwartz, the attorney for the building's out-of-state owner, said the cornerstone from the Towerview Apartments will be saved to incorporate into a new development.

"We'll keep a little bit of Tulsa history," Schwartz said.

The owner, Luay Aljamal of Oregon, is considering lofts and retail space for the property, he said.

"My client is debating which kind of development he wants to proceed with," Schwartz said.

On Wednesday, a city board approved an

amendment to the Urban Renewal Plan to include the Towerview property. City Council approval of the amendment is required before the Tulsa Development Authority can acquire the property.

City Economic Development Director Don Himelfarb insists the city is not considering acquiring the property through eminent domain, despite conflicting claims by the owner's attorney.

"The city is not talking about eminent domain," Himelfarb said. "You've got a situation where the owner and his representative are trying to make it into something else."

Claiming the property through eminent domain because of a blight problem no longer is possible because the building will be gone soon, Schwartz said.

"Now that the building is being demolished, any claim that there is a blighted property for eminent domain . . . no longer stands," he said.

From a health and safety perspective, Himelfarb said it's a good thing that the old building is being torn down. Before it was closed, the Towerview offered pay-by-the-week lodging with few questions asked.

It was closed and boarded up in 2004 after the Tulsa City-County Health Department found a number of code violations that the owner would not repair.

After an early morning fire on Jan. 14, Schwartz said his client planned to raze the building.

While it's unclear what will replace the Towerview, one thing is certain: The city wants to have authority over the property's future. The nearby BOK Center is scheduled to open in 2008.

"Our position is very clear," Himelfarb said. "We are moving ahead to have the property put in the Urban Renewal Plan. It's one step at a time and we'll see where this leads."

The city economic development director doesn't know why there's so much interest in the Towerview.

"This is a non-story," he said. "There is so much else going on downtown." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Tom Droege 581-8361
tom.droege@tulsaworld.com




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This is good that this owner is trying to fight to keep his property. I think that it's neat that the owner is keeping the cornerstone above towerview's door. Lets see what plans are ahead. The lame excuse to take the building is gone and Don Himelfarb and Kathy Miller are a bunch of millionairs who say one thing and do another. This is a victory to the average Tulsans. Lets see what happens next.




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Average Tulsans or average Portlanders?

[Leah]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Leah

This is good that this owner is trying to fight to keep his property. I think that it's neat that the owner is keeping the cornerstone above towerview's door. Lets see what plans are ahead. The lame excuse to take the building is gone and Don Himelfarb and Kathy Miller are a bunch of millionaires who say one thing and do another. This is a victory to the average Tulsans. Lets see what happens next.




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Average Tulsans or average Portlanders?
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Tulsa, Portland, Chicago, New York, Indianopolis, Huston, Los Angelas, Seattle, Denver, Boise, Salt Lake City, Atlanta, Jackson, Columbus, Boston......And all the other city's.  This is America Buddy! The second the government acquires property through Eminent Domain and hands it over to a private developer, we get closer and closer to turning into a dictatorship.  Where is your patriotism?