Absolved: The alcohol made me do it...

[jamesrage]

quote:


Putting politics before the welfare of children...that's 'sick, sick, sick'!

Democrats are very guily of putting politics before the welfare of children.
Again do Gerry Studds,Mel Reynolds and Fred Richmond ring a bell?Three democrats,three pedophilers let off the hook by their fellow democrats, some of these democrats who let these pedophilers off are still in office.

[Bledsoe]

Oklahoma Lawyer of former page sends email to blogger

"Remove my clients name and picture"

http://www.newsok.com/article/keyword/2951965/

The blogger's site is:  http://passionateamerica.blogspot.com/

Demo Mirror site:  http://www.okvoter.com/foley/

More info on the blogger William Kerr:  

http://www.newsok.com/article/keyword/2951712/


Only in America.......!!!!

[jdb]

"Hell, I caught one down on my ranch once, had a winky this big...Hey, waddya say we all fly down there after wer' done with the camera's here?".

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:


Putting politics before the welfare of children...that's 'sick, sick, sick'!

Democrats are very guily of putting politics before the welfare of children.
Again do Gerry Studds,Mel Reynolds and Fred Richmond ring a bell?Three democrats,three pedophilers let off the hook by their fellow democrats, some of these democrats who let these pedophilers off are still in office.

You should read before you post.  First off, you are not telling the truth.  None of these people are in office today.  Second, all of these people were investigated and judged...censure and even jail time resulted.

Hastert and other Republican leaders ignored Foley's behavior, leaving the children at risk.  Why would they do that?  Why would Reynolds, who saw the emails, encourage Foley to run again?  Answer that, Jamesrage.  What should Americans do about that?  Once we have that figured out, then maybe we can talk about how things were mishandled 10-25 years ago.  You are complaining about the actions of individuals 30 years ago, I'm more worried about the actions of several Republican leaders in the here and now.  It looks like a coverup.  Coverups are okay with you, Jamesrage?

[Chicken Little]

Another staffer comes forward.  He told Hastert's office in 2003 about Foley.  Hastert did nothing.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little


You should read before you post.  First off, you are not telling the truth.  None of these people are in office today.

Of course not, after serving more terms in office they eventualy lost a election.

quote:
Second, all of these people were investigated and judged...censure and even jail time resulted.

Only one served time in jail.As for censured,please humor me and tell me what the hell a censure is when it comes to politics.Is that where all the politicians get together and do a formal "shame on you,don't do it again" and thats it?



Gerry Studds continued to serve 5 more terms and was not jailed as you claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
Studds was re-elected five more terms after the censure.



Mel Reynolds was allowed to run and he was never thrown out by the democrats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Reynolds
In August 1994, he was indicted for having sex with a 16-year-old campaign volunteer. Despite the charges, he continued his campaign and was re-elected in November 1994. Reynolds initially denied the charges, which he claimed were racially motivated. On August 22, 1995 he was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography. He resigned his seat on October 1, 1995.

Reynolds was sentenced to five years in prison and expected to be released in 1998. However, in April 1997, he was convicted on 15 unrelated counts of bank fraud and lying to SEC investigators. These charges resulted in an additional sentence of 78 months in federal prison. Reynolds served all of his first sentence and served forty-two months in prison for the later charges. At that point, U.S. President Bill Clinton commuted the sentence for bank fraud. As a result, Reynolds was released from prison and served the remaining time in a half way house. [1][2]


Fred Richmond never served any time in prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Richmond
In 1978,he was charged with soliciting sex from a 16 year old boy. The misdemeanor charges were dropped after Richmond agreed to undergo professional counseling. [1] In his fourth term in Congress, Richmond was charged with tax evasion and possession of marijuana. He resigned his seat as part of a plea agreement and was sentenced to a year and a day in federal prison. [2] He is currently a resident of New York City





None of those pedophilers were ever thrown out by their fellow democrats and they were allowed to still serve.

quote:
Hastert and other Republican leaders ignored Foley's behavior, leaving the children at risk.  Why would they do that?  Why would Reynolds, who saw the emails, encourage Foley to run again?  Answer that, Jamesrage.  

I have no idea if what you say is true about alledged claims of republicans covering up the incident,liberal media likes to spin things so much that it ain't funny.I do not think pedophilia is a subject that comes up between coworkers.I do not think that while the politicians are out smoking drinking or what ever it is they do at the end of the day that pedophilia attractions is a subject that comes up.As for emails anybody can claim that so and so sent them a dirty email and print it out on paper.

 

quote: What should Americans do about that?  

As Americans we should either demand to our politicians that these pedophilers in office be thrown out of office,lose all their benifits /etirement benifits and be tossed in prison or we start voter initiatives across the country to deny any benifits to politicians guilty of commiting crimes and to require by law our elected officials to throw these scum out or face loss of thier own job and time in prison.

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Once we have that figured out, then maybe we can talk about how things were mishandled 10-25 years ago.  You are complaining about the actions of individuals 30 years ago,

I am confident that the republicans will kick out these scum,unlike the democrats who have a histoy of tolerating such evil.

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I'm more worried about the actions of several Republican leaders in the here and now.  It looks like a coverup.  Coverups are okay with you, Jamesrage?

History has a way of repeating itself
Some of these democrats were still in office for many years after they commited their crimes,alot of the democrats who tolerated them are still in office.


If Foley was a democrat,you libs would be calling us hate mongers because Foley is a homosexual and there is no way our dislike of him could stem from the fact he is a pedophile,but instead you all would be trying to use the hatemonger/homophobe card out against anyone who spoke out against Foley and you be arguing that if it was a 17 year old girl instead of a 17 year old male that we wouldn't give a **** thus trying to play more of that hatemounger/homophobe card.You libs would be complaining that were are violating his civil liberties by reading his emails and you libs would be arguing that the page was of the age of consent and any other excuse to let him off the hook.



Scum are scum reguardless if they have a "D" or "R" next to their name.Scum should be thrown out of office and into jail ,loose all their benifits/retirement packages,permanately be barred from public office and so on.

[Rico]

Flash...!

Just in... The Republican Party has placed another plank in their platform...

Knowledge of "Pedophilia" within the Congress is now acceptable behavior by the Leadership..

Citing Democratic Values.. The following statement was issued by Whitehouse Spokesperson Tony Snow...

""We do not condone their behavior.. We do not feel they should be allowed to own computers... In an effort to continue to spend as much money as superhumanly possible...

Their is a place for them in our Party...

A Vote for the Republicans is a Vote for a Party that is willing to meet the new world order and look it squarely in the eyes and say...""


"""Could we increase our credit line..?"""

source:
"Men with Hats and No Cattle...."[}:)]

[Chicken Little]

Jamesrage,

I think you and I are in agreement in that those who put those children at risk should be held accountable.

But you should really think through what you are saying.  Do I think that those previous incidents involving Republicans and Democrats are okay?  Of course not.  Nor do I think that prior screw-ups and mishandlings are a legitimate defense for a coverup of Foley's actions.

And I would agree that pedophilia is a distateful subject, but that is in no way an excuse to ignore it.

And homosexuality and pedophilia are seperate, unrelated behaviors.  Pedophilia is not liberal behavior, its mental illness, it harms children, and nobody's defending it.

You've also tried to blame the so-called, "liberal media".  Tell me, Jamesrage, what exactly are they getting wrong here?  Or is it that you simply wish that they would forget about it and help sweep it under the rug as the Republicans are trying to do?

You've given four bad excuses for why the Republican leadership took no action to protect these children.  You left out the "blame the children" defense, btw.  

Truth is, the handling of this matter is indefensible and it should, and will, have consequences for the GOP.  In the end, they don't care about the safety of these children, all they care about is politics.  Speaker Dennis Hastert told Laura Ingram this week:

quote: "If I fold up my tent and leave, then where does that leave us? If the Democrats sweep, then we'd have no ability to fight back and get our message out."

That's what they care about.  Politics.  Are you going to keep trying to back them up?

[AVERAGE JOE]

Nice to see jamesrage show up every once in awhile and make a complete horse's rear end of himself. Way to try to blame a pedophile's misbehavior and a shameful GOP coverup on the "liberal media". [}:)][}:)][}:)]

[Bledsoe]

Republicans Cling To Conspiracy Theories

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/8/18420/1065


It's not easy for Republicans to defend their handling of Mark Foley's inappropriate behavior. The facts, developing day after day, simply aren't on their side.  But who needs facts when fiction has worked so well for the GOP in the past?  

Enter the paranoia, stage right.
As you know, top-level Republicans are peddling a Grand Conspiracy Theory that the Foley scandal was somehow designed and funded by George Soros and peddled by Clinton operatives. But that's wasn't their first  defense tactic.

Initially, shocked conservatives tried to argue that the emails were fake.  That attempt to derail the scandal was short-lived, given that the authenticity of the emails was confirmed by multiple sources.

Wingers turned next to describing the explicit messages as a "prank", a "joke" as James Dobson called it. It was a clever ploy by "16 and 17 year old beasts."  Come on, it's obvious, isn't it? The pages clearly possessed impressive techniques of hypnosis.  They used a calculated combination of smileys and "LOLs" to force the Republican Congressman to ask them to measure their penises for him.  "Beasts" indeed...

Alas, as more and more pages came forward--including one that is currently serving in Iraq--attacking the pages would appear....callous.  

Onto Plan C.

I like to imagine the strategy session for Plan C went down something like this:  trembling Republicans huddled around a table, trying to figure out how to fight back against their Foley "matter" (it's not a scandal you see, at least according to Hastert). One intrepid Republican comes up with the brilliant (and fool-proof!) idea. He takes a dog-eared copy of Byron York's The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy and begins carefully ripping out page after page.  He meticulously folds each page in a teeny tiny little square, and then puts all the little name-laden papers in a big bowl.  Pick a paper, any paper!  George Soros!  CREW!  ABC!  Pelosi! Emanuel!  Liberal blogs!  That should be enough names to weave a conspiracy theory, right?

And so, armed with a defense only a black-helicopter fearing X-Files fanatic could love, Republicans took to the talk show circuit and cried foul over a Democratic "plot" to take over the government this fall.

[rwarn17588]

Buncha damned fools. Why don't the folks in charge take responsibility for nonaction and lying (especially on Hastert's part) and start rolling some heads?

Instead, they make baseless charges and look like paranoid nutjobs.

That's the way to inspire confidence with the voters 30 days before an election.

[aoxamaxoa]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-foster-altschul/october-913-is-national-_b_31238.html

"Republican predatory behavior of course extends far beyond the battlefield."

[Bledsoe]

Second major conservative newspaper, The New Hampshire Union Leader, calls on Dennis Hastert, John Shimkus and Rodney Alexander to resign.

See:  

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Hastert's+inaction%3a+Speaker%2c+others+must+go&articleId=a5600e06-374e-4a6c-b686-d016410b25fd

[aoxamaxoa]

Yes, it is time to turn, turn, turn....
Rein in The Decider (continued)
Katrina vanden Heuvel
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?pid=128196
"First a bipartisan American Bar Association panel decried George W. Bush's unconstitutional use of signing statements. And now, according to The Boston Globe, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) has declared that the President is using signing statements as "an integral part of his comprehensive strategy to strengthen and expand executive power at the expense of the legislative branch."

Read the confidential report posted here.

Signing statements are assertions by a president that he (or, someday, she) need not obey or enforce the bill he is signing into law. Before the current Bush regime, all presidents in our nation's history had issued signing statements for approximately 600 laws. But King George alone has challenged over 800 laws. A recent example – in signing a bill barring the Pentagon from using illegally obtained intelligence, The Decider suggested that he alone can make that determination.

The CRS report deemed that many of Bush's assertions of presidential powers are "generally unsupported by established legal principles."

Anyone who cares about our nation's historical separation of powers and the checks and balances of our Constitution knows that George Bush must be reined in and reined in now. Fortunately, we have the opportunity to elect a Congress that will do just that on November 7."

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

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