Starting a war with Iran?

[rwarn17588]

I always thought the Iranian president looked like Ray Stevens.

"Don't look, Ethel! But it's too late ..."

[aoxamaxoa]

"Will They Nuke Iran?"

By Alexander Cockburn

02/11/07 "Counterpunch"

"First, we know there is a National Security Council staff-led_group whose mission is to create outrage in the world against Iran. Just like before Gulf II, this media group will begin to release stories to sell a strike against Iran. Watch for the outrage stuff."

As regards "the outrage stuff", here on cue comes the New York Times' Michael Gordon with a front page story today, February 10, headlined "Deadliest Bomb in Iraq is Made by Iran, US Says", and beginning "The most lethal weapon directed against American troops in Iraq is an explosive-packed cylinder that United States intelligence asserts is being supplied by Iran."


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17032.htm

"The problem is that brinkmanship suits everyone's book. Ahmadinejad, facing serious political problems, can posture about standing up to the Great Satan. Olmert can say Ahmadinejad wants to finish off Israel and kill all the Jews. Bush sees Iran as a terrific way of changing the subject from the mess in Iraq and putting the Democrats on the spot"

[iplaw]

Maybe a little like Yakov...

[iplaw]

Apparently their great illumination is going to have to wait a couple of months.  I guess the goat he was going to marry and spawn the anti-christ with isn't of age yet...

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Apparently their great illumination is going to have to wait a couple of months.  I guess the goat he was going to marry and spawn the anti-christ with isn't of age yet...

I can't help but notice... your avatar has you appropriately dressed for this level of political conversation...

[iplaw]

Yes, Bluto is appropriate for all levels of discourse.

[aoxamaxoa]

Yuz guys love killing threads that don't goose step along with your tempo.....if ya know what I mean....


"Why we're supposed to trust them on Iran: Because they were wrong last time!"


http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/18433

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Even if Bush wanted to invade Iran (which would be so disastrous it'd make Iraq look like a Sunday potluck), most military experts say we're 9-12 months away from doing so.

The military simply isn't ready for a full-scale attack.

If we are destined to invade Iran, then make it count and play to win.

[FOTD]

Duck and cover....Is Iran winning the war in Iraq? http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/77595/ Do the Busheviks plan to scorch the earth before they leave power?


Iranians help reach Iraq cease-fire
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2008-03-30-iraqnews_N.htm

Headlined on 3/29/08:
Saudi Newspaper: Prepare for radioactive fallout from US nuclear attack on Iran

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_richard__080328_saudi_newspaper_3a__pr.htm

Bush sends nuclear sub and more warships to the Gulf[!]

Insanity's game....God bless this mess.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

We are already at war with Iran,have been since 1979!And guess who is funding a major part of terrorism??Yes Iran!Always have been a major trouble spot in middle east and its ruled by a nutcase that makes "saddam whoswang" look like a saint.

They are Persians and they are decent people. Kahmeni is near death with cancer, the populace is ready for positive change, and we are on the verge of attacking, with nuclear warheads, a leader in the Arab world. Diplomacy would work best but your gang will make Iraq look minor.

We and other countrys as well have tried the diplomatic approach over and over,you cannot deal with a religion that firmly believes they are the rightous ones on earth,yet strap on explosives and kill innocent people!How in the hell can anyone here defend those actions?They are cowards,and cannot fight in conventional ways,or have the temperment to sit down at any bargaining table.And tell me,what is it they want?Does anyone really know?Im betting on world domination!

Don't mean to sound trite or oversimplistic, but if ya can't reason with them, then ya gotta wipe 'em out. They'd like to do it to us, right?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

We are already at war with Iran,have been since 1979!And guess who is funding a major part of terrorism??Yes Iran!Always have been a major trouble spot in middle east and its ruled by a nutcase that makes "saddam whoswang" look like a saint.

They are Persians and they are decent people. Kahmeni is near death with cancer, the populace is ready for positive change, and we are on the verge of attacking, with nuclear warheads, a leader in the Arab world. Diplomacy would work best but your gang will make Iraq look minor.

We and other countrys as well have tried the diplomatic approach over and over,you cannot deal with a religion that firmly believes they are the rightous ones on earth,yet strap on explosives and kill innocent people!How in the hell can anyone here defend those actions?They are cowards,and cannot fight in conventional ways,or have the temperment to sit down at any bargaining table.And tell me,what is it they want?Does anyone really know?Im betting on world domination!

Don't mean to sound trite or oversimplistic, but if ya can't reason with them, then ya gotta wipe 'em out. They'd like to do it to us, right?

WRONG...

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

quote:Originally posted by mdunn

We are already at war with Iran,have been since 1979!And guess who is funding a major part of terrorism??Yes Iran!Always have been a major trouble spot in middle east and its ruled by a nutcase that makes "saddam whoswang" look like a saint.

They are Persians and they are decent people. Kahmeni is near death with cancer, the populace is ready for positive change, and we are on the verge of attacking, with nuclear warheads, a leader in the Arab world. Diplomacy would work best but your gang will make Iraq look minor.

We and other countrys as well have tried the diplomatic approach over and over,you cannot deal with a religion that firmly believes they are the rightous ones on earth,yet strap on explosives and kill innocent people!How in the hell can anyone here defend those actions?They are cowards,and cannot fight in conventional ways,or have the temperment to sit down at any bargaining table.And tell me,what is it they want?Does anyone really know?Im betting on world domination!

Don't mean to sound trite or oversimplistic, but if ya can't reason with them, then ya gotta wipe 'em out. They'd like to do it to us, right?

WRONG...

Wrong? How am I wrong? You can't reason with them, nor can they be trusted to keep the peace! Countries with that kind of temperment in their leadership should be contained and subdued any way possible.

You know, I may not be a fan of the Shah, but had he done what was necessary to the Ayatollah Khomeini and the rest of that clique when he had the chance, we would not have the trouble we have today from that part of the world.

[FOTD]

You are wrong because the US is not in a postion of strength and once again the backlash would only hurt and endanger Americans.

There are better ways to remedy differences than going to war. Using Nukes is insane.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

You are wrong because the US is not in a postion of strength and once again the backlash would only hurt and endanger Americans.

There are better ways to remedy differences than going to war. Using Nukes is insane.

Blockade them, quarantine them, prevent them from trading with the rest of the world. Whatever it takes to bring about changes to that country-or to eliminate it as a threat.

And I may remind you that using nukes is what ended the war in Japan. Besides, if the Iranians had nuclear power, all it would take would be some mullah in that country to go insane over the USA, Israel or any othe perceived infidel, and it would be the end of civilization as we know it.

[we vs us]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

You are wrong because the US is not in a postion of strength and once again the backlash would only hurt and endanger Americans.

There are better ways to remedy differences than going to war. Using Nukes is insane.

Blockade them, quarantine them, prevent them from trading with the rest of the world. Whatever it takes to bring about changes to that country-or to eliminate it as a threat.

And I may remind you that using nukes is what ended the war in Japan. Besides, if the Iranians had nuclear power, all it would take would be some mullah in that country to go insane over the USA, Israel or any othe perceived infidel, and it would be the end of civilization as we know it.

The big problem with nukes is that you can't actually use them as weaponry.  Setting aside pesky issues of morality, nukes are a lose-lose from a realpolitk standpoint.  You would be an instant pariah in the international community, and there would be an immediate danger of being isolated both politically and economically from the rest of the world. . . and personally I don't think it would be out of the question if we were immediately attacked.  

Not to mention setting off MAD escalations in every country around the world that perceives the US as an enemy.  After all, if you're willing to use nukes -- tactical or strategic won't matter -- on Iran, then it's a good bet you're willing to use them on Venezuela, too.  And Cuba, and Syria, and the Sudan, etc etc.  Even countries we might not care about would escalate, either in fear of us or in fear of our enemies escalating.  In other words, using nukes totally removes any of the controlling frameworks we spent the last half of the 20th century putting in place.  Pretty much all bets would be off.