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Started by guido911, October 24, 2006, 07:53:12 PM

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guido911

October 24, 2006, 07:53:12 PM
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

iplaw

#1
October 24, 2006, 08:50:07 PM
Michael J. Fox...the woman from Everyone Loves Raymond...Kurt Warner...

Michael J. Fox's piece was a misinformation campaign just like this video.  My celebrity is bigger than yours.

Honestly, who takes any these people seriously.  I wish Hollywood would just stuff it.

Real American A-Holes Mr. Hollywood Protester










Cubs

#2
October 24, 2006, 09:02:48 PM
Patricia Heaton (Everybody Loves Raymond) is a great pro-life conservative celebrity. She is not one of these flashy Hollywood celebrities .... I respect her greatly.

guido911

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October 24, 2006, 09:07:06 PM
Me and you will fight on this one IP. Michael J. Fox's ad was totally political, openly endorsing McKaskill over Talent. Then, Fox took his show on the road to Maryland in that Senate campaign. In this ad, there is no politician endorsement. This ad is in response to a massive disinformation campaign by the stem cell advocates in Missouri. I know you are research nut, so take a look at the proposed amendment and the opposing sides:

Fair and balanced, I report (well, you know)

1.  Right to life

http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/October06/nv101706.html

2.  Amendment Proponents

http://www.missouricures.com/

My major concern is at the beginning, the amendment claims to ban all cloning. Then towards the bottom it grants legal protection for somatic cell nuclear transfer. This is the scientic definition of "cloning." This was the process used to clone dolly the sheep

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_the_Sheep

As for the persons appears in this ad...You have got to know that Kurt Warner is a deeply Christian, pro-life man. Furthermore, both he, Mike Sweeney, and Jeff Suppan mean a heck of a lot to people in Missouri. Okay Patricia Heaton and Jim Caviezal are Hollywooders, however I find them more credible than Fox.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Rico

#4
October 24, 2006, 11:56:06 PM
"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?

Guido.......  What you propose to do about this.......?

Cubs

#5
October 25, 2006, 12:20:22 AM
quote:
Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?

I don't understand this question. Please use English.

papaspot

#6
October 25, 2006, 06:33:09 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cubs

Patricia Heaton (Everybody Loves Raymond) is a great pro-life conservative celebrity. She is not one of these flashy Hollywood celebrities .... I respect her greatly.


LOL! She agrees with you so she's not "one of those flashy Hollywood celebrities". [}:)]

That says it all. That's one of the problems with you extremists and partisans. You haven't figured it out that someone can actually disagree with you on something and it doesn't automatically make them a demon of evil. The act of disagreeing with a neocon does not make someone unAmerican. Disapproving of the job George Bush is doing does not mean that someone hates our troops. You people need to consider relying on a little bit of truth and reality and not so much on spin and misinformation.

iplaw

#7
October 25, 2006, 09:05:20 AM
Guido:

We're not going to fight on this at all.  I agree that Fox's ad was a misleading piece of crap.

What I hate is that the other side decided to retort with equally ignorant celebrities.  Fight fire with fire I suppose.

Anyone who listens to Hollywood yutzes for critical and thoughtful commentary should be hit on the head with a tack hammer before entering the voting booth.

Did you listen to my audio clip on real american a holes, it's good stuff?

iplaw

#8
October 25, 2006, 09:06:46 AM
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Originally posted by Rico

"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?


Is this Sally Struthers?

Rico

#9
October 25, 2006, 09:17:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Cubs
quote:
Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?


"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?


I don't understand this question. Please use English.




Just for you.... All Right to Life... Right Wing... Christian Conservatives.... Are quick to point out that they "Choose Life"... They do not want anything other than that to be on the table....

Fine.. I am all for it.. Now; please explain what these individuals are doing about the children that are already here and are living in the above described... reality.

iplaw

#10
October 25, 2006, 09:37:56 AM
Rico:

I have to say that I'm right there with you.  It's easier to say "save the babies" than it is to give of what you have to put food on their table.  Counter point, many who are pro life are equally as giving with their money to charities as the US outgives any other nation on the planet.  Organizations like Feed the Children and the like make a huge difference in the world.

Both sides are setting up strawman arguments to make their respective point.

What irritates me is when this argument is somehow used to justify abortion rights.  Certianly it speaks to a lack of action and generosity on the part of SOME pro lifers, but it certainly is not a reason to justify a pro choice stance.

I don't think you were trying to justify that belief, but I merely said what I did because some do use it as justification.

Back to the OP now.

guido911

#11
October 25, 2006, 09:38:22 AM
RICO:

Your questions have nothing to do with amendment 2 and the disinformation campaign going on in Missouri.

As for solutions to the rampant poverty and starvation problem in the world, I think human cloning is the answer.

IPLAW, come on, there was more to the point of my original post than the Hollywood angle and you know it. And yes. I have heard the Beck clip  



Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

iplaw

#12
October 25, 2006, 09:39:56 AM
I know.  There was definitely more to your post than that, but I just can't tolerate any more from Hollywood, from either side.

rwarn17588

#13
October 25, 2006, 12:28:09 PM
Kurt Warner doesn't hold that much sway in Missouri anymore, especially since he sucked and sulked in his last couple seasons with the Rams.

The fact he also bolted to the Arizona Cardinals for a while didn't help, either.

snopes

#14
October 25, 2006, 01:05:44 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Rico

quote:
Originally posted by Cubs
quote:
Guido....... What you propose to do about this.......?


"Even though I have come to be wary of dead heroes and the overwhelming burden their martyrdom imposes on the living, I will allow myself a prophecy. Or maybe it is a warning. More than 3 billion human beings on this planet right now live on less than $2 a day. And every day that breaks, 40,000 children â€" more than one every second! â€" succumb to diseases linked to chronic hunger.?


I don't understand this question. Please use English.




Just for you.... All Right to Life... Right Wing... Christian Conservatives.... Are quick to point out that they "Choose Life"... They do not want anything other than that to be on the table....

Fine.. I am all for it.. Now; please explain what these individuals are doing about the children that are already here and are living in the above described... reality.


Everytime I see the Cubs in flames I have to laugh. I agree that there are plenty of hypocrites on the right that don't do their fair share Rico. There are plenty of them on the left too. Are you trying to insinuate that the more conservative among us don't have feelings and care about this sort of thing? I give to charities all of the time and it bothers me a great deal that there is alot of pain and suffering in the world. I really think people don't put this thing into perspective often enough and I applaud anyone who stands up and tries to help out folks who are in need, wherever they are. After all, we are all human beings and that is one area where I believe borders shouldn't be an issue.
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