No on Mo. Amendment 2

[papaspot]

The way I see it, celebrities give their opinions just like pretty much every one of us does here. The only difference is that they've got a bigger audience. Should they just shut up because they're famous? I don't really see why the should. I have my doubts as to whether anyone's mind gets changed because of them announcing their opinion, but then I doubt if anyone's mind changes here over us announcing OUR opinions. From what I see (and for the most part) if you're a right winger, you blast Michael J. Fox and others and say they should just **** while praising Charleston Heston and Charlie Daniels as great statesmen. And if you're a left winger, you probably do the same thing in reverse.

[Cubs]

quote: That says it all. That's one of the problems with you extremists and partisans. You haven't figured it out that someone can actually disagree with you on something and it doesn't automatically make them a demon of evil.  

Right back at ya

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

quote: That says it all. That's one of the problems with you extremists and partisans. You haven't figured it out that someone can actually disagree with you on something and it doesn't automatically make them a demon of evil.  

Right back at ya

Ouch! You're a regular razor blade with those clever retorts!

[guido911]

Stick to politics and stay away from sports. Here's an article with some history re: Warner

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061013/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_warner_retirement

Do you have to fight me on everything?

[rwarn17588]

Page is not found, Guido.

[Conan71]

Okay, here's my .02 worth.  I really don't care what celebs think, they are not going to influence my vote.  I feel like most are out of touch with the common man.  

As long as they are an American citizen, I believe they are entitled to their opinion and welcome to campaign for whomever or whatever they choose.  Where I draw the line is non-citizen celebs who criticize our government, issues, and candidates.

Limbaugh stuck his foot squarely up his own a$$ for making the comments he did.  He's now brought far more attention to the issue than if he would have just kept his big yapper shut.  On stem cell research, I think the government is confusing a scientific issue with moral issues, and I don't believe a government which is chartered on a separation of church and state should legislate morality.  

(Of course Goldwater said the same thing in running on "states rights" on the 1964 CRA's and he was labled a bigot)[].

[rwarn17588]

I think I found guido's link. It's basically saying that Warner might retire at the end of the season:

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/football/061012/f101288.html

Just as well. Like I said before, Warner's stock in Missouri has fallen sharply in recent years, so I question whether he'd be an effective pitchman against stem cell research.

I watched a lot of Rams football before I moved out here two years ago. Warner had about 2 1/2 seasons where he was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. But after that, his abilities dropped precipitously. First, he broke one of his fingers. The finger healed. But it blunted the zip on his passes and made him more fumble-prone. In fact, he led the NFL in fumbles per game in the past few years.

Warner also sustained concussions that I'm convinced affected his decision-making on the field. He was holding the ball too long (thus taking a lot of sacks) and throwing the ball too often into double- and triple-coverage. So his interceptions went way up.

Naturally, when Warner started fumbling and throwing interceptions, the Rams benched him. Warner complained about the benching a lot to the media (bad move) and sulked (another bad move). His wife also made a lot of complaints about the coach to the media (another bad move, especially since said coach had one of the best winning percentages in the league).

Now Warner can't even hold a starting job on a dogcrap team. To top it off, that team is despised by St. Louis football fans (Arizona Cardinals) because it used to be in St. Louis until its idiot owner Bill Bidwill, sulking because not as many fans came to see a lousy-to-mediocre team, moved to Arizona. Bidwill is universally recognized in the NFL as the league's worst owner.

That's why it's questionable enlisting pro athletes in political ads -- these athletes are only as good as their last game, and such ads can backfire.

I held my breath when I heard that Cardinals pitcher Jeff Suppan did one of those ads. If he stunk it up in Game 4 of the World Series and handed Detroit a crucial victory, then the ads would have been ill-advised. Suppan didn't pitch great last night, but didn't pitch horribly, either (a no-decision).  But it goes to show it's a dicey proposition to stake your stance on an athlete, compared to a longtime statesman like John Danforth who's been held in high esteem for decades.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Okay, here's my .02 worth.  I really don't care what celebs think, they are not going to influence my vote.  I feel like most are out of touch with the common man.

I don't give a hoot what they think either. I just feel like they've got just as much right to give their opinions as any of us here has.

quote:
As long as they are an American citizen, I believe they are entitled to their opinion and welcome to campaign for whomever or whatever they choose.  Where I draw the line is non-citizen celebs who criticize our government, issues, and candidates.

This is probably not what you're talking about but as far as freedom of speech as a right goes, it doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.

quote:
Limbaugh stuck his foot squarely up his own a$$ for making the comments he did.  He's now brought far more attention to the issue than if he would have just kept his big yapper shut.

I think Rush showed his true colors. Hardball politics is one thing but that was pretty damn low even for him.

[snopes]

In my opinion, Rush showed his true colors years ago. I actually listened to him waaay back. After listening for a few years, I agreed with alot of what he said, but then I saw the bias of his viewpoints (all Democrats BAD/all Republicans GOOD), and couldn't stomach him after that. My brother listens to him daily and we argue about it all of the time.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by snopes

In my opinion, Rush showed his true colors years ago. I actually listened to him waaay back. After listening for a few years, I agreed with alot of what he said, but then I saw the bias of his viewpoints (all Democrats BAD/all Republicans GOOD), and couldn't stomach him after that. My brother listens to him daily and we argue about it all of the time.

Well, I agree with that. But I still think that this is a new low even for him.

[snopes]

He seems to be sinking lower every time he shows his face. Here's some advice from our old buddy Matt Foley.

[Conan71]

Rush is a one trick pony.  Snopes, like you, I listened in early on and got great laughs out of his satire pieces and he did shine the light on some things that weren't being reported elsewhere.  It is so rare though that he ever casts a dispersion on a conservative that I consider his view about as credible as Olbermann.

I was really nauseated when KRMG picked up Hannity in the afternoon.  Great, another three hours of Limbaugh with a nasally Long Island twang.  I do watch H & C occasionally because there is some balance and Hannity can't run away un-checked.

As far as the radio show I like the best, it's Neil Boortz.  He's not a fan of liberals, but he doesn't give out free passes on every issue to the GOP either.  He also doesn't appear to take himself as seriously as a lot of commentators these days.  He's got good variety- yesterday  Jeff Burton (NASCAR)called in and they talked racing, this morning Boortz was talking about his cat named "Drop Kick". [}:)]

[Conan71]

Originally posted by papaspot


This is probably not what you're talking about but as far as freedom of speech as a right goes, it doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.

Actually, it matters to me.  A non-citizen using their celebrity and/or money to influence voters in a country where they are not a citizen rubs me the wrong way.  They are not registered to vote here and they do not participate in our political process so I prefer they keep their opinion and influence to themself.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Originally posted by papaspot


This is probably not what you're talking about but as far as freedom of speech as a right goes, it doesn't matter whether they're citizens or not.

Actually, it matters to me.  A non-citizen using their celebrity and/or money to influence voters in a country where they are not a citizen rubs me the wrong way.  They are not registered to vote here and they do not participate in our political process so I prefer they keep their opinion and influence to themself.

Whether we like it or not, they do have that right, in a public venue anyway. But I understand what you're saying. It irks me too. It's like Texans that move to Oklahoma and then spend all their time cooing about how much better Texas is than Oklahoma. If it's so much freakin' better, why are they living in Oklahoma?

[snopes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Rush is a one trick pony.  Snopes, like you, I listened in early on and got great laughs out of his satire pieces and he did shine the light on some things that weren't being reported elsewhere.  It is so rare though that he ever casts a dispersion on a conservative that I consider his view about as credible as Olbermann.

I was really nauseated when KRMG picked up Hannity in the afternoon.  Great, another three hours of Limbaugh with a nasally Long Island twang.  I do watch H & C occasionally because there is some balance and Hannity can't run away un-checked.

As far as the radio show I like the best, it's Neil Boortz.  He's not a fan of liberals, but he doesn't give out free passes on every issue to the GOP either.  He also doesn't appear to take himself as seriously as a lot of commentators these days.  He's got good variety- yesterday  Jeff Burton (NASCAR)called in and they talked racing, this morning Boortz was talking about his cat named "Drop Kick". [}:)]

Boortz I like, but I haven't heard him in awhile. I'm so glad Tony Snow is off the air. Bush thought he was such a mouthpiece, he hired him!