No Wonder He Is Not President

[rwarn17588]

So, if veteran experience is so important to you, where and when did you serve, Guido?

And since I'm an American citizen, I have the right to speak my mind according to the auspices of the Constitution. The Constitution doesn't say:  Free speech to just veterans.

[Cubs]

Kerry's comments couldn't have come at a better time. Undecided voters will realize that if they vote for the Democrat in their Senate race, they are putting folks like John Kerry into power. They will then go to the polls and vote Republican. [^] (at least I can hope [])

[aoxamaxoa]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Kerry's comments couldn't have come at a better time. Undecided voters will realize that if they vote for the Democrat in their Senate race, they are putting folks like John Kerry into power. They will then go to the polls and vote Republican. [^] (at least I can hope [])

Kerry's comments were taken out of context. Before Kerry made the statement about being sent to Iraq, he said The President was from Texas but now lives in a state of denial. Next he made the comment about studying hard which was directed directly at Bush....not our soldiers. But the repugs will do anything at this point to make you think something else happend outside of the real and obvious situation.
Just now, our President demanded Kerry do a formal apology to our troops rather than using the good road to talk about what he wants the agenda to be for his remaining term.

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/release.html?id=33

"I'm not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have. "



7 days and counting!

[guido911]

Whatever gets you to sleep at night Waterboy.

Incidentally, all I wanted was an opinion on Kerry's comments from veterans. Perhaps the opinion was he was about to be unfairly swiftboated or that his mangled joke actually was in line with his "terrorizing" comment he made about our troops several months ago. Instead all I got was his apologists or amateur publicists.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Whatever gets you to sleep at night Waterboy.

Incidentally, all I wanted was an opinion on Kerry's comments from veterans. Perhaps the opinion was he was about to be unfairly swiftboated or that his mangled joke actually was in line with his "terrorizing" comment he made about our troops several months ago. Instead all I got was his apologists or amateur publicists.

I have no problem with sleeping because I value veterans opinions as much as anyone elses. If you want vets opinions only then go to a veterans website. Of course the discourse isn't quite as friendly...

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Kerry's comments couldn't have come at a better time. Undecided voters will realize that if they vote for the Democrat in their Senate race, they are putting folks like John Kerry into power. They will then go to the polls and vote Republican. [^] (at least I can hope [])

Unfortunately for you, Cubs, people aren't as stupid as you think. I think most people who don't have their heads buried up George Bush's butt are intelligent enough to take this for just what it was--a joke that he flubbed. He tripped on his tongue. You don't seem to have a problem with the fact that your hero does it dozens of times a week. In fact, go look up the word "bushism". Even Republican leaders aren't stupid enough to try to make a big deal out of this. 'Course that doesn't stop people who continually get spanked on message boards from grasping at straws. [}:)]

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Whatever gets you to sleep at night Waterboy.

Incidentally, all I wanted was an opinion on Kerry's comments from veterans. Perhaps the opinion was he was about to be unfairly swiftboated or that his mangled joke actually was in line with his "terrorizing" comment he made about our troops several months ago. Instead all I got was his apologists or amateur publicists.

Okay, I'm a veteran and here's my opinion. Only an idiot would try to make something out of a ten second clip without knowing the context of the statement. Got a link to the full video or at least the text of the video? If you do, how 'bout sharing it. Or have you been suckered in by the spinmeisters again?

Now...since you've said that veterans' opinions on the military are somehow worth more and implied that you are a veteran, why don't you answer the question and at least tell us which service you were in? I think we established some time ago that you don't have any combat experience so your opinion is relatively worthless anyway (according to your claim). I served in two branches so chances are we both served in the same one. We can talk shop, eh?

[sgrizzle]

It was a flub just like "Nucular," "Potatoe," and "I did not have sex with that woman."

It's funny no matter who says it. John Kerry lost his own campaign 2 years ago due to mishandling the rowboat veterans guys and being fairly inefectual in his overall campaign. Once again Kerry made a bad response in my opinion. Just say "I flubbed that joke and now the republicans are gonna make a big deal out of something their leader does daily. MAybe they should spend more time teaching their own leader english." and end the statement there. He went into a rollcall of republican nitwits instead. The story wasn't even covered on news outlets like CNN until Kerry made his statement because it WASN'T a big deal.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

It was a flub just like "Nucular," "Potatoe," and "I did not have sex with that woman."

Uhhhh...I don't think that last one was a flub, sgrizzle. Flub implies a lack of intent. I think that one was a carefully planned lie with enough ambiguity built in to keep his donkey out of a legal ringer.

[TheArtist]

What Kerry said really didn't even make sense to me, it very well could have been something he misspoke, but I haven't heard the context. Sounded to me like he was saying: If you go to college you do well, but if you go in the army you end up in Iraq?  He didnt say college but I can't imagine he meant the average guy just going to high school studying hard and doing well so I assume he ment college.  Unless he meant that: Those who study hard are more likely to go to college and those who didnt, but want to get ahead, join the army only to end up in Iraq.

I was one of those who went into the army to get my money to go to college.  That was and still is a big selling point to join up, its a way to get a leg up if you can't afford it yourself or werent able to get any scholarships. I bet most of the guys I met in the army did it because it was a decent paying job and or got them out of a bad life situation, and many because it could help them get to college. GI Bill.  

I honestly don't think I ran into a single person who joined up out of some feeling of high minded duty to their country. I could list a dozen other reasons higher on the list before that one would come up. If for some reason their only option was to join say the British army and get the same benefits they would have, give em 100 dollars a month more and most would have chosen it over the US army lol.

I made a 96 on my ASVAB the highest possible score is a 98.9.  I am a C student and I knew guys that had to take it several times to get the minimum 31 score.

I was a 31 Mike, Multichannel Communications Systems Operator, 10th Signal Battalion, Mountain Division. If you must know. Army Achievement Medal, all sorts of purdy little striped pins and awards, liked my Sharp Shooter medal, with my M-16 I could pop a mans head off at a distance of 300 meters like a sledge hammer hittin a watermelon.  Didn't get to see any action though, my buddies got sent to the first gulf war right after I had finished my term.

Regardless, most of the guys I met were not the sharpest kids on the block,  not the hard, studying, scholastic types. Even I, a C student, was smarter and more intelligent than most. I would often think during field exercises... If an enemy couldn't defeat this army they must be reeeeeeally stupid.  Fortunately it seems they are. lol Plus our scientists give us better toys.  

Anyway. I dont see any lie in saying that more people in the army are not doing as well as those who went to college and studied hard. If that was the take on what Kerry said. I don't see any lie in stating that those who studied hard, then went on in the civilian world are doing better than most of those who went into the army, especially if it really is true that the average college graduate is doing better than the guy in Iraq.  If it was implied that the average college grad is smarter than the average army guy, I would also say that is true. Thus the average army guy really is more stupid and less fortunate than the average college graduate that studied hard. If thats what he meant and thats true? Whats the fuss?  

As for why Kerry isn't President.  Your exactly right if you mean to say its because he couldn't get his message across, he still apparently can't. At least with a Bushism you can still figure out what he meant to say, as for this, I still don't know what he was trying to say or what people think he said or why they are so upset about it lol?

[rwarn17588]

Artist wrote:

At least with a Bushism you can still figure out what he meant to say,

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Sez you.

Especially in the last couple of years or so. It's shocking, frankly, how much Bush has deteriorated as a speaker, especially when you compare him to when he was Texas governor and early in his first term as president.

It genuinely makes me wonder whether all that partying he did until the age of 40 is finally catching up to him with his mental and motor skills.

[snopes]

I won't deny that Bush is a horrible speaker, but I think we're deviating from the topic. John Kerry said the following:

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq."

In my opinion, John Kerry made a mistake because his comments were disparaging to the people serving in Iraq and he should apologize to them.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by snopes

I won't deny that Bush is a horrible speaker, but I think we're deviating from the topic. John Kerry said the following:

"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart you can do well, if you don't you get stuck in Iraq."

In my opinion, John Kerry made a mistake because his comments were disparaging to the people serving in Iraq and he should apologize to them.

Your response, and Artists, is to the 10 sec. bite. If you can find it listen to his preceding remarks and look at the attempted humorous context. You won't find it on a Fox affiliate though. He was trying to make Bush the object, not the troops.

[snopes]

His attempt failed miserably and he should still apologize. It would be better for him and some of his Democrat colleagues; some are already asking him not to stump for them. Look, I don't have a hate-on for the Democrats, nor am I all warm and snuggly with the Republicans, I just think his remarks were extremely disparaging to the people serving over there. And by the way, I heard the clips preceding this about Bush being in denial and I really don't see the connect that you are trying to make. It may be there, but I don't see it and I rarely (if ever) watch fox - I don't like  their spin. I usually get all of my news off the Internet (various sources).

My point is that although he may have been attempting to be humorous, some humor is just in bad taste.

[waterboy]

He has no career prospects as a stand-up, that's true! Hate to see this being manipulated by a party frantic to seize on any mis-step to cover their incredible ineptness in so many areas. An apology would be immediately used on political ads in every market where they are in trouble. I jumped to the same conclusion when I saw the bite, and like Artist I thought there was some truth but a politically stupid remark. From my experience doing research on veterans web sites I doubt most non-political vets think an apology is necessary. Hardly anyone signs up for the reasons the Republicans would like you to believe.