No Wonder He Is Not President

[snopes]

Frankly I don't care what the Republicans do with this. Yes, they will politicize it and squeeze every single drop of political capital that they can. But if anyone thinks the Democrats wouldn't do the same if given the same opportunity, I would believe they are mistaken.

But that's really aside from the point that I'm trying to make. If I were serving in Iraq, I would be offended because it appears as an attempt to dress down the military as dumbards. As for veteran response thus far, I believe the VFW has called for an apology and they are one of the largest veteran groups out there.

Perhaps I'm wrong, I've been known to be so plenty of times before. This is merely an opinion.

[Chicken Little]

Kerry's already said that his remark was directed at a C- college cheerleader who doesn't have the brains to change the course in a quagmire that has killed 2,816 American troops for no good reason--104 in October alone.

If anyone needs to apologize to the troops its the desperate Republicans whose tough talk and mindless rubberstamping continues to waste lives.  They've misused and abused the power of the greatest nation in history and they don't have the political spine to admit it.  We are all stuck in Iraq, and come next Tuesday, we will cast our vote to change the course.

Air Force Requests Emergency Funding To Help Transport Killed And Wounded Soldiers...

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

Kerry's already said that his remark was directed at a C- college cheerleader who doesn't have the brains to change the course in a quagmire that has killed 2,816 American troops for no good reason--104 in October alone.

If anyone needs to apologize to the troops its the desperate Republicans whose tough talk and mindless rubberstamping continues to waste lives.  They've misused and abused the power of the greatest nation in history and they don't have the political spine to admit it.  We are all stuck in Iraq, and come next Tuesday, we will cast our vote to change the course.

CL... I could not agree more with you about Iraq.. However, Senator Kerry, not the most eloquent speaker that there ever was, needs to rehearse his lines a little more or remain silent...
The GOP needed this.... Karl needed this... They do not have anything else to sling at the Dems.

If they will accuse McCain of Fathering a child out of wedlock just because he was in the way... If they will out a covert CIA operative to defend their case against Sadam... They will make as many miles of rhetoric out of Kerry's statement as they are given time to..
Trying to defend Kerry only gives this story legs...
Let sleeping dogs lie...

[}:)]

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Artist wrote:

At least with a Bushism you can still figure out what he meant to say,

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Sez you.

Especially in the last couple of years or so. It's shocking, frankly, how much Bush has deteriorated as a speaker, especially when you compare him to when he was Texas governor and early in his first term as president.

It genuinely makes me wonder whether all that partying he did until the age of 40 is finally catching up to him with his mental and motor skills.

President Bush has some very, uh, "inventive" speaking skills. [] I caught bits of his interview with Hannity last night when I was driving home.  He said something like: "Bin Laden isn't a 'suicider'.  He recruits these 16 year-old kids to be 'suiciders'."

[snopes]

You won't get any retort from me about the blunders of this administration, before or during the war.

I'm a member of an organization called Soldier's Angels; I communicate with and send care packages to an Army helicopter pilot on a weekly basis, so I feel what these guys are having to go through and I don't like it one bit. One doesn't have to agree with the current administration to have sympathy for those putting their lives on the line.

I still feel the same about an apology directly to the troops. One more thing, if Kerry has a speechwriter, that person should be fired.

[TheArtist]

Even if it wasn't what he meant to say. Can anyone tell me why they think any of the troops would be offended by what he said?

[snopes]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Even if it wasn't what he meant to say. Can anyone tell me why they think any of the troops would be offended by what he said?

Well, if you read his words Artist, they basically say that you can get an education and be smart, work hard at it, or you'll end up in Iraq. In short, it "appears" that he is calling the troops in Iraq uneducated. At least that has been my point.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

Even if it wasn't what he meant to say. Can anyone tell me why they think any of the troops would be offended by what he said?

If they took it to mean "If you're smart, you go to college and become successful. If you're not smart, then you end up in the military."

Al Gore said almost the same thing to a school group I was in (That we weren't smart enough to go to college and be successful) when he was running for VP. Ticked a lot of people off.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by snopes

You won't get any retort from me about the blunders of this administration, before or during the war.

I'm a member of an organization called Soldier's Angels; I communicate with and send care packages to an Army helicopter pilot on a weekly basis, so I feel what these guys are having to go through and I don't like it one bit. One doesn't have to agree with the current administration to have sympathy for those putting their lives on the line.

I still feel the same about an apology directly to the troops. One more thing, if Kerry has a speechwriter, that person should be fired.

You are a great American, Snopes.  We should all do more; "support the troops" requires a little more energy than a freaking faded car magnet.

And I'm not defending Kerry, but he's right.  We are "standing and losing" in Iraq and "cutting and running" in Afghanistan.  Its time for the Commander-in-Chief to stop acting like a cheerleader and start acting like a head coach.

[snopes]

You're very kind CL. I'm no great American, just someone that wants to help out where I can. Not to tout it too much, but if anyone does want to sign up for Soldier's Angels, it's easy. They ask that you send one letter a week and one care package a month to the Soldier (or Marine, Air Force, Navy) you are assigned. They tell you not to expect letters because these people are on 16-17 hour days. After sending several nice care packages I was very happy to receive a two page letter from my adopted soldier, who wanted to tell me how grateful he was for the letters, which he called a slice of home. He told me about his wife and their dream of starting up a business, and so much more. His letter really hit home how much these people need some sympathy and support. They are pawns in a world game and just want something from home. He was sharing the goods from my care packages with the other soldiers on a regular basis and said it really helped their morale. If anyone does care to sign up, you can look up Soldier's Angels on the Internet. I'm afraid if I put a link here it may be considered spam.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

If they took it to mean "If you're smart, you go to college and become successful. If you're not smart, then you end up in the military."

If the troops are offended, its because hacks like Rush Limbaugh are desperately trying to make something out of Kerry's ability to mangle the language.

There's only one guy who's better at it, and he always gets a pass.  Just last week he said, "We've never been stay the course".  Yeah, right.

This summer, he sent James Baker, a real conservative who understands the world on a level that our President never will, off to Iraq to come up with some new ideas.  Baker came back and said we should consider allowing them to partition the country.  As a reward for his effort, Bush implied that Baker was senile.  I'm not crazy about Baker, especially since he helped put Bush's boy in office (see Florida, 2000), but heck, the guy did help figure out how to disengage from Vietnam.  

At some point, the Cheerleader-in-Chief is going to have to look at the scoreboard and realize we are down big.

[guido911]

RW, Papa, and anyone else out there. Army and Air Force. Good enough for ya? BTW, we have established nothing.

[guido911]

Kerry's stubborness is the issue now.

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6698

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Kerry's stubborness is the issue now.

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=6698

I agree that Kerry is being stubborn and selfish about his gaffe.  But he was, and is, talking about this:

quote:Army and Air Force

Certainly you have my respect, but I disagree with you.  I don't think the "issue" is about Kerry's personal ambition, I could care less.  In  my opinion, this is the same kind of silliness that got him in trouble in 2004.  If he hasn't learned to tend to his words by now, then I really don't have any sympathy for him.

The "issue" is really about accountability.  Its about "staying the course" when there is no course.  Its about finding a course, or at least about finding the people who have the guts to say that we need one.  Even if its a course back home, its a direction.

[aoxamaxoa]

1) Both men are Yale legacies....what's that tell you?

2)Kerry says sorry for "botched joke"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061101/pl_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc_5

3)How many of our heroes have died since Shrub said "bring 'em on"?The presidunce should apologize for making taunts that led to the deaths of American soldiers. All repug candidates should demand Bush apologize for putting our men and women in harms way and taunting the opposition into killing them.

"...weeks rather than months."
-Vice President Dick Cheney [source: Washington Post]

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."
-Vice President Dick Cheney [source: Washington Post]

"They want to the get rid of Saddam Hussein, and they will welcome as liberators the United States when we come to do that."
-Vice President Dick Cheney [source: Washington Post]

"The campaign will be unlike any we have ever seen in the history of warfare, with breathtaking precision, almost eye-watering speed, persistence, agility and lethality."
-Vice Admiral Timothy Keating, commander of U.S. naval forces in the Gulf [source: Washington Post]

"It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld [source: Washington Post]

"Support for Saddam, including within his military organization, will collapse at the first whiff of gunpowder."
-Former Pentagon Chairman Richard Perle [source: Washington Post]

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
-President George Bush [source: Whitehouse.gov]

"I have a special word for Secretary Rumsfeld, for General Franks, and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done."
-President George Bush (being careful to use the troops as shields in this praise of Rumsfeld and Franks) [source: Whitehouse.gov]

"It's very important for us to stay the course, and we will stay the course."
-President George Bush [source: US Department of Defense]

Remember to go vote Tuesday against the people who waisted our credibility, our world stature and our capital. That would be John Sullivan if you are from Tulsa!