Another preacher sex scandal

[RecycleMichael]

Originally posted by aoxamaxoa
http://www.lastchancedemocracycafe.com/?p=668/quote]

That is a great link.

I especially liked the poster who wrote about the gay preacher giving new meaning to "turn the other cheek".

[TulsaDavid]

As someone once said, "When one lays down with dogs, don't be surprised if they wake up with fleas."

[okiebybirth]

Well, pastor Driscoll has enlightened everyone why pastors may be tempted to have sweaty man-on-man sex; the laziness of the pastor's wife!  

"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors' wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be helping him either."

http://theresurgence.com/md_blog_2006-11-03_evangelical_leader_quits

Thankfully Driscoll has given his fellow pastors a good excuse for those sordid gay affairs, blame the wife!

[rwarn17588]

So let me get this straight. Driscoll essentially implies that Ted Haggard's wife isn't putting out.

So Haggard go finds a MAN to release his sexual urges?

It didn't occur to Haggard to have a mistress?

And, I've seen video of Haggard's wife. She isn't unattractive. So that excuse doesn't fly, either.

Driscoll ignores what is obvious: That Ted Haggard is a suppressed gay man who tried (and failed) to use evangelism to further fuel his self-suppression. The alleged use of meth also is a symptom of his divided psyche.

But instead, Driscoll pretty much blames the wife.

Jerk.

Maybe Driscoll ought to get tossed out on his ear, too.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

Well, pastor Driscoll has enlightened everyone why pastors may be tempted to have sweaty man-on-man sex; the laziness of the pastor's wife!  

"Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors' wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband's sin, but she may not be helping him either."

http://theresurgence.com/md_blog_2006-11-03_evangelical_leader_quits

Thankfully Driscoll has given his fellow pastors a good excuse for those sordid gay affairs, blame the wife!

Ya know this really BURNS MY donkey. Right wing fundamentalist Christians have been whining for decades that the problem with America is that people don't take responsibility for their actions. And now this driscoll idiot tries to give Haggard a pass because it's his freakin' WIFE'S FAULT that he did meth and screwed a male prostitute? That's gotta be just about the most ASSHOLIC excuse I've ever seen in my more than half a freakin' century on this planet. I hope a seething, hissing band of preachers' wives parks in his front yard and expresses their opinions of this at ear splitting volume. Every self-respecting, genuine, DECENT Christian should verbally blast this imbecile off the planet.

I doubt if we'll hear a peep from them, but I'd like to hear from a few right wing fundamentalist Christians on this. Do you AGREE with this? How 'bout it, Cubs? Is it the wife's fault?

[papaspot]

Here's a couple of email addresses for Driscoll's Website of Sleaze in case you wanna let him know what you think of his comments:


submissions@theresurgence.com

info@theresurgence.com

[papaspot]

quote:Haggard immediately denied the allegations, but later acknowledged having paid the man for a massage and to provide methamphetamine.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," he said on Friday. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Yeah, RIGHT. Haggard didn't inhale either.

CBS News

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Haggard immediately denied the allegations, but later acknowledged having paid the man for a massage and to provide methamphetamine.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," he said on Friday. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Yeah, RIGHT. Haggard didn't inhale either.

CBS News

Haggard is also claiming that he purchased a "first time customers only" introductory sample of crystal meth (meth dealers are notorious for their promotions).  But threw it away.  This must be our GOP version of the implausibility of "not inhaling," but, in typical Republican fashion, seems rather more blatantly wasteful.  Did he not think of the consequences of this lie?  Why, poor Nicole Richie is probably combing the side of every road out of Denver for that tiny baggie as I type this.http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_nov2006.html

[USRufnex]

Ted Haggard appeared in Jesus Camp... here's a couple of reviews posted by sgrizzle from this thread... http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5038&SearchTerms=Jesus,Camp

http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/reviews/2006/jesuscamp.html

quote:Ted Haggard, President of the National Association of Evangelicals, who makes a brief appearance near the end of the film, wrote a letter to all 42 NAE denominational leaders that read, in part: "I am concerned that we are seeing the initial attempts to characterize Evangelical practices as extreme and, in some cases, similar to the practices and beliefs of Islamic Fundamentalists. No doubt, we all need to learn to communicate the Gospel more clearly in our globalized world, realizing that our words can be interpreted very differently than intended because of the evolving global situation ....

"I didn't like [Jesus Camp] for two reasons. (1) It portrayed the training of kids at the camp as militaristic, extreme, and scary and (2) It forces non-Charismatic evangelicals to say, "That's not us, it's them!" My concern is that the movie will reverse the growing respect that has been growing between Pentecostal and non-Pentecostal Evangelicals for the past three decades, and that those on the far left will use it to reinforce their most negative stereotypes of Christian believers. ... It's one more 'documentary' that seems to miss the point intentionally."

Magnolia president Eamonn Bowles is surprised at the uproar. In a statement, Bowles says, "We're frankly surprised and a little disheartened by the efforts of prominent members of the evangelical community to clamp down on Jesus Camp. Whether or not the children and camp depicted in the film represents the 'mainstream' of the Evangelical movement is beside the point: they exist, the film documents them, and the subjects feel they've been treated fairly. Why a community that's so quick to attack discrimination from secular Americans would then turn and do the same to other Evangelicals is unexpected, to say the least."

http://www.pluggedinonline.com/movies/movies/a0002908.cfm

quote:In Colorado Springs, New Life Church pastor Ted Haggard, also the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, is shown playfully interacting with the camera. With his guard down as if among friends, he quips, "If the evangelicals vote, they determine the election. It's a fabulous life!" But after seeing the finished film, he was far from pleased. He wrote, "[You] can learn as much about the Catholic Church from Nacho Libre" as you can learn about evangelicalism from Jesus Camp. He continued, "It does represent a small portion of the charismatic movement, but I think it demonizes it. Secularists are hoping that evangelical Christians and radicalized Muslims are essentially the same, which is why they will love this film."

Enjoy the irony...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA

[aoxamaxoa]

I thinks this is a right wing conspiracy to capture the gay evangelic vote.....

[USRufnex]

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050207/photoessay/11.html

quote:At a meeting with President Bush in November 2003, after nearly an hour of jovial Oval Office chat, the Rev. Ted Haggard, 48, got serious. He argued against Bush-imposed steel tariffs on the grounds that free markets foster economic growth, which helps the poor. A month later, the White House dropped the tariffs. Haggard wasn't alone in faulting the policy, and he doesn't claim to be the impetus, but as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, he gets listened to. He represents 30 million conservative Christians spread over 45,000 churches from 52 diverse denominations. Every Monday he participates in the West Wing conference call with evangelical leaders. The group continues to prod the President to campaign aggressively for a federal marriage amendment. "We wanted him to use the force of his office to actively lobby the Congress and Senate, which he did not adequately do," says Haggard. He is also working to broaden his group's agenda. A document issued last fall offered a theological justification for civic activism by U.S. Evangelicals, calling on them to protect the environment, promote global religious and political freedom and human rights, safeguard "wholesome family life," care for the poor and oppose racism. Says Haggard: "With the growth of Evangelicalism worldwide, we have to be involved in political and social action to impact the culture worldwide."

[papaspot]

It strikes me as very POSSIBLE that something really good could come out of this for the country. Maybe the backlash from this will force a lot of sleeping Americans to wake up from their stupor and realize that the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Thing is nothing but a political organization whose goal is to turn the U.S. into a theocracy controlled exclusively by THEM. Maybe it'll even wake up some sleeping Christians to the fact that they are being exploited for political gain. There MIGHT even be a few Republicans who wake up to the fact that their Grand Old Party has become nothing more than the political whore of the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Thing.

I can dream, can't I?

[aoxamaxoa]

"Are all homophobic Republicans secretly gay? The leaders of the party with a penchant for condemning others would do well to look inward. It's time to call them on their hypocrisy."

http://www.alternet.org/story/43876/

"What is the solution to this misplaced effort to restrict others' behavior? For Freud, it was therapy. But more broadly, it's a dose of introspection, an ability to look inward, and to shift focus from others' behavior to our own."

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

It strikes me as very POSSIBLE that something really good could come out of this for the country. Maybe the backlash from this will force a lot of sleeping Americans to wake up from their stupor and realize that the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Thing is nothing but a political organization whose goal is to turn the U.S. into a theocracy controlled exclusively by THEM. Maybe it'll even wake up some sleeping Christians to the fact that they are being exploited for political gain. There MIGHT even be a few Republicans who wake up to the fact that their Grand Old Party has become nothing more than the political whore of the Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist Thing.

I can dream, can't I?

I woke up to that realization some time back, if you notice what one half of my signature says.

For a country founded largely upon the premise of getting away from religious oppression, the fundamentalist Christian right is trying awful hard to interject itself into American government.

The piety and intollerance of the FCR movement will be the ultimate un-doing of the Republican party.  

Niether the Foley or Haggard stories would have sprouted legs if not for the GOP being so far up the a$$ of the FCR movement (pardon the pun).

[aoxamaxoa]

LOL...

Fired Pastor Ted: "There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life." Then there's his sex life.

"We all wear the same thorny crown...."
Bob Dylan