Why is John Sullivan still my representative?

[USRufnex]

off topic again...  MCW...

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2803

quote:I collect videotapes of NASL games. I have 32 Tulsa Roughnecks matches.
Does anyone have any games that I don't have? I would love to trade: DaveBrett@msn.com. Here is my Tulsa collection...

May 27, 1978 Minnesota Kicks 2 at Roughnecks 3
June 24, 1978 Roughnecks 1 at Seattle Sounders 0
1978 Playoff: Roughnecks 1 at Minnesota Kicks 3

Mar 30, 1979 Roughnecks 4 at Seattle Sounders 3
April 14, 1979 Rochester Lancers 2 at Roughnecks 5
June 13, 1979 Cosmos 3 at Roughnecks 2

Mar 29, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at Houston Hurricane 0
April 26, 1980 Cosmos 1 at Roughnecks 2
May 31, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at T. Bay Rowdies 3
June 15, 1980 Roughnecks 3 at Edmonton Drillers 1
June 29, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at Lancers 2 (2nd half + OT)
July 2, 1980 Seattle Sounders 1 at Roughnecks 0
July 9, 1980 Roughnecks at Kicks (1st half only)
Aug 2, 1980 Chcago Sting 1 at Roughnecks 3
Aug 6, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at Sounders 4
1980 Playoff: Roughnecks 1 at Cosmos 8 - Giorgio
Chinaglia 7 goals (This is an Italian rebroadcast with
commentary by Giorgio in Italian.)

June 6, 1981 New England Tea Men 3 at Roughnecks 2

April 3, 1982 Roughnecks at Rowdies (1st half only)
June 5, 1982 T. Bay Rowdies 0 at Roughnecks 2
July 8, 1982 Ft. Lauderdale Strikers 1 at Roughnecks 3
July 17, 1982 Toronto Blizzard 1 at Roughnecks 5
Aug. 4, 1982 Vancouver Whitecaps 2 at Roughnecks 1
1982 Playoffs: Cosmos 0 at Roughnecks 1

Aug 06, 1983 Roughnecks 1 at Earthquakes 2
Aug 21, 1983 Roughnecks 3 at Team America 2
1983 Playoffs: Roughnecks 4 at Strikers 2
1983 SOCCER BOWL: Roughnecks 2 vs Blizzard 0

May 25, 1984 Roughnecks 2 at Chicago Sting 3
June 17, 1984 Roughnecks 2 at Chicago Sting 3
June 24, 1984 Roughnecks 1 at NY Cosmos 3
July 08, 1984 Roughnecks 1 at Earthquakes 4
Aug 16, 1984 Chicago Sting 1 at Roughnecks 2

My web site is: www.DaveBrett.com

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by meeciteewurkorI apologize, I do not remember referring to myself as a Christian.  I believe that the Christian faith, upon which this country was founded, to be a very moral and common sense faith.  That does not make me one.  My personal religious beliefs are my problem, not yours.

Well, that also happens to be the 700 Club position, too... how convenient.

Except our founding fathers were deists...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

quote:Deism in America

Thomas Jefferson, Edgehill Portrait of 1805 by Gilbert Stuart. National Portrait Gallery, Washington, DC.In America, deists played a major role in creating the principle of separation of church and state, and the religious freedom clauses of the First Amendment of the Constitution. American deists include John Quincy Adams, Ethan Allen, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and James Madison. Thomas Paine published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout America and Europe.

Elihu Palmer (1764-1806) wrote the "Bible" of American deism in this Principles of Nature (1823), and attempted to organize deism by forming the "Deistical Society of New York."

Currently in the United States, there is an ongoing controversy as to whether or not America is a "Christian nation". This has spawned a subsidiary controversy over whether or not the Founding Fathers were Christians or deists or something in between. [2] [3] David L. Holmes's The Faiths of the Founding Fathers is a recent study of the subject.

In particular, there is debate over the beliefs of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington, for all of whom the evidence is mixed.

Even if you take the honest debate that tries to imply some of the founding fathers were NOT deists and had beliefs closer to those associated with modern Christianity... No matter how you slice it, the concept of a "personal relationship with Jesus" would have been completely foreign/alien to Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, et. al...

http://www.amazon.com/Faiths-Founding-Fathers-David-Holmes/dp/0195300920

[meeciteewurkor]

quote: Why am I not surprised that you haven't done your homework? Could it be because this is the stance that your party has told you to have? If you did the least bit of homework, you would know that only a FRACTION of the people in the U.S. illegally entered the U.S. illegally. The vast majority of them are here illegally because they overstayed their visas. What's the difference (other than the fact that you haven't done any homework)? Well, how about a few billion wasted dollars on a Berlin wall along the southern border? Seems to me like a few billion in squandered and wasted tax money could pose a threat to our national security.

Perhaps you have not done your homework on mee?  
I am a registered Independent.  Not that that holds much weight.  I do not accept any major Party's doctrine I do not agree with.  I vote for candidates that agree with my mostly conservative viewpoints.  While most of the Republicans decided to support Bill LaFortune in the last mayoral elections, I went on record opposed to him.  I do not blindly follow anybody.  Never have, never will.
You will also notice that I pointed out three individuals who I know have entered this country illegally.  One has admitted to it.  The other two refused to acknowledge they spoke English. Be they a minority of people entering our country illegally or not, what they have done is illegal.  
I know what I see around me.  That is mostly what I report on.  You can place people into groups and statistics, but it does not detract from the truth I have spoken.

[meeciteewurkor]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

off topic again...  MCW...

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2803

quote:I collect videotapes of NASL games. I have 32 Tulsa Roughnecks matches.
Does anyone have any games that I don't have? I would love to trade: DaveBrett@msn.com. Here is my Tulsa collection...

May 27, 1978 Minnesota Kicks 2 at Roughnecks 3
June 24, 1978 Roughnecks 1 at Seattle Sounders 0
1978 Playoff: Roughnecks 1 at Minnesota Kicks 3

Mar 30, 1979 Roughnecks 4 at Seattle Sounders 3
April 14, 1979 Rochester Lancers 2 at Roughnecks 5
June 13, 1979 Cosmos 3 at Roughnecks 2

Mar 29, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at Houston Hurricane 0
April 26, 1980 Cosmos 1 at Roughnecks 2
May 31, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at T. Bay Rowdies 3
June 15, 1980 Roughnecks 3 at Edmonton Drillers 1
June 29, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at Lancers 2 (2nd half + OT)
July 2, 1980 Seattle Sounders 1 at Roughnecks 0
July 9, 1980 Roughnecks at Kicks (1st half only)
Aug 2, 1980 Chcago Sting 1 at Roughnecks 3
Aug 6, 1980 Roughnecks 1 at Sounders 4
1980 Playoff: Roughnecks 1 at Cosmos 8 - Giorgio
Chinaglia 7 goals (This is an Italian rebroadcast with
commentary by Giorgio in Italian.)

June 6, 1981 New England Tea Men 3 at Roughnecks 2

April 3, 1982 Roughnecks at Rowdies (1st half only)
June 5, 1982 T. Bay Rowdies 0 at Roughnecks 2
July 8, 1982 Ft. Lauderdale Strikers 1 at Roughnecks 3
July 17, 1982 Toronto Blizzard 1 at Roughnecks 5
Aug. 4, 1982 Vancouver Whitecaps 2 at Roughnecks 1
1982 Playoffs: Cosmos 0 at Roughnecks 1

Aug 06, 1983 Roughnecks 1 at Earthquakes 2
Aug 21, 1983 Roughnecks 3 at Team America 2
1983 Playoffs: Roughnecks 4 at Strikers 2
1983 SOCCER BOWL: Roughnecks 2 vs Blizzard 0

May 25, 1984 Roughnecks 2 at Chicago Sting 3
June 17, 1984 Roughnecks 2 at Chicago Sting 3
June 24, 1984 Roughnecks 1 at NY Cosmos 3
July 08, 1984 Roughnecks 1 at Earthquakes 4
Aug 16, 1984 Chicago Sting 1 at Roughnecks 2

My web site is: www.DaveBrett.com

Wow!  That is so cool.  I wonder if anybody has ever tried to digitize all of those?  It would be really neat to see all of them online.
I saw your comment in the other thread about the commercials.  ha!  Those would be classic, wouldn't they?  Thanks for the links.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by meeciteewurkor

quote: Why am I not surprised that you haven't done your homework? Could it be because this is the stance that your party has told you to have? If you did the least bit of homework, you would know that only a FRACTION of the people in the U.S. illegally entered the U.S. illegally. The vast majority of them are here illegally because they overstayed their visas. What's the difference (other than the fact that you haven't done any homework)? Well, how about a few billion wasted dollars on a Berlin wall along the southern border? Seems to me like a few billion in squandered and wasted tax money could pose a threat to our national security.

Perhaps you have not done your homework on mee?  
I am a registered Independent.  Not that that holds much weight.  I do not accept any major Party's doctrine I do not agree with.  I vote for candidates that agree with my mostly conservative viewpoints.  While most of the Republicans decided to support Bill LaFortune in the last mayoral elections, I went on record opposed to him.  I do not blindly follow anybody.  Never have, never will.
You will also notice that I pointed out three individuals who I know have entered this country illegally.  One has admitted to it.  The other two refused to acknowledge they spoke English. Be they a minority of people entering our country illegally or not, what they have done is illegal.  
I know what I see around me.  That is mostly what I report on.  You can place people into groups and statistics, but it does not detract from the truth I have spoken.

You know three people out of eleven to fifteen million illegals? Well, I have to admit that's a pretty good sampling. The margin of error on that must be less than about...what...plus or minus 430,000 percent? I guess you HAVE done your homework.

[meeciteewurkor]

quote: You know three people out of eleven to fifteen million illegals? Well, I have to admit that's a pretty good sampling. The margin of error on that must be less than about...what...plus or minus 430,000 percent? I guess you HAVE done your homework.

When you ignore what I am stating, and instead try to belittle me with absurd statements, you degrade yourself and your own intelligence.

Address the three people I have mentioned.  Do their unlawful actions become insignificant, because you believe they don't represent a certain "sampling" of people?
I am in no position, nor do I have the resources to "sample" millions of people.  Do you?  
Like I stated.  I know what I see around me.  It does not make it any less significant.  You refuse to address the three specific people I have mentioned.  Why is that?

Consider this:  I video somebody stealing a car.  You say my proof is invalid, because I have not taken video of 100,000 people stealing cars.  You cannot take one act of unlawful behavior and try to invalidate it by stating it does not fit a certain pattern.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by meeciteewurkor

quote: You know three people out of eleven to fifteen million illegals? Well, I have to admit that's a pretty good sampling. The margin of error on that must be less than about...what...plus or minus 430,000 percent? I guess you HAVE done your homework.

When you ignore what I am stating, and instead try to belittle me with absurd statements, you degrade yourself and your own intelligence.

Nice spin! VERY nice spin!

quote:
Address the three people I have mentioned.  Do their unlawful actions become insignificant, because you believe they don't represent a certain "sampling" of people?
I am in no position, nor do I have the resources to "sample" millions of people.  Do you?  

No, and why WOULD I? It's already been done. But you don't KNOW (or care) that it's been done because you're so convinced of the infallibility of your preconceptions that you see no need to get the facts.

quote:
Like I stated.  I know what I see around me.

If you believe that the world looks exactly like what you see around you, your world is very small indeed.

quote:
It does not make it any less significant.  You refuse to address the three specific people I have mentioned.  Why is that?

What exactly am I supposed to "address" about them?

quote:
Consider this:  I video somebody stealing a car.  You say my proof is invalid, because I have not taken video of 100,000 people stealing cars.  You cannot take one act of unlawful behavior and try to invalidate it by stating it does not fit a certain pattern.

Ya know, I haven't figured out if you have a reading problem or if you're just being obstinate. Based on how many times you've just "got it wrong" about what I've said, I suspect that you're either a very careless reader or you read everything you see with a jaundiced eye. Try slowing down your reading or reading my posts over a couple of times before you respond and then you won't be as likely to miss my point. I mean, I'm not writing on a post-graduate level here and you're not an idiot. There's no reason that you can't understand what I've said other than that you have an agenda and you're trying to make what I say fit a pattern that you EXPECT to see.

[meeciteewurkor]

Do you respect my opinion as I respect yours?

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by meeciteewurkor

Do you respect my opinion as I respect yours?

I'm getting the feeling that we're getting further and further from the same page with each post. What opinion are you talking about? If you're talking about your apparent belief that most illegal aliens CAME here illegally then, while I respect your right to HAVE that belief, I can't say I respect the belief itself because it's based on false information.

[meeciteewurkor]

Still think illegal immigration is a good thing?
http://tinyurl.com/sj4sy

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by meeciteewurkor

Still think illegal immigration is a good thing?
http://tinyurl.com/sj4sy

More bullsh*t spin. Where did anybody say that illegal immigration is a good thing? Do you have some kind of innate inability to debate anything without resorting deception and distortion? Where do you get off pretending to have respect for anyone's opinion when you rely on that kind of sleaze?

[meeciteewurkor]

A Tulsa cop is shot by a Mexican national, who, for all intents and purposes, shouldn't be here.  And you call that bullsh*t spin?

wow.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by meeciteewurkor

A Tulsa cop is shot by a Mexican national, who, for all intents and purposes, shouldn't be here.  And you call that bullsh*t spin?

wow.

See? Here's MORE bullsh*t spin. Did you study under Rush Limbaugh? Nah, even HE'S not THAT dishonest.

What I called bullsh*t spin was the tripe that YOU posted. You're not too stupid to see that, you just (like most right wingers) chose to take it and distort it hoping that there are at least a FEW people here that are dimwitted enough to think I really said what you try to make it look I said. There might be a COUPLE of idiots here but don't expect a big following.

Ya know, maybe I was wrong about you. Maybe you're NOT smart enough to carry on an intelligent debate and that's why you have to resort to spin, distortion and slights of hand to try to make it LOOK like you can carry on an adult conversation. It's kinda hard to tell since just about everything you post is nothing but PURE SPIN.

[meeciteewurkor]

You're free to comment on the article just like everybody else, PapaSpot.  You know I post every reader comment regardless if they agree or not (unless it's just profane).  Even "Santa" got his two cents in.

I see I have over-extended my welcome.  My apologies to the site admin for straying so much off topic.  
Sorry I angered you, PapaSpot.  It truly was not my intention.

kind regards
mcw

[papaspot]

Okay, looks like I'm gonna have to break this down for you. First, you accuse anyone that doesn't agree with you on every detail of supporting illegal immigration. When I refer to your accusation as bullsh*t spin, you post THIS crap:

quote:A Tulsa cop is shot by a Mexican national, who, for all intents and purposes, shouldn't be here. And you call that bullsh*t spin?

wow.

Mister, when you accuse me of scoffing at the shooting of a police officer, you go WAY OVER THE LINE. And WHY would you pull some sleazy crap like that? Because you can't carry your end of the argument without spinning things in what amounts to a personal smear and for no other reason than right wing POLITICS.