Birth Control Is Harmful?

[sgrizzle]

Saw a billboard stating so. Had a URL for this nifty website that includes such gems as "Birth Control causes Abortion" and a loose connection between birth control and the amish school shootings.

http://respectlifetulsa.org

[BKDotCom]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Saw a billboard stating so. Had a URL for this nifty website that includes such gems as "Birth Control causes Abortion" and a loose connection between birth control and the amish school shootings.

http://respectlifetulsa.org

I think it's in response to the "Birth Control is easy" billboards (there's one on 244 near downtown)

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by BKDotCom

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Saw a billboard stating so. Had a URL for this nifty website that includes such gems as "Birth Control causes Abortion" and a loose connection between birth control and the amish school shootings.

http://respectlifetulsa.org

I think it's in response to the "Birth Control is easy" billboards (there's one on 244 near downtown)

It is. There are a lot of planned parenthood references (authors of the other signs)

[guido911]

SGRIZZLE:

I looked at the website and it strikes me as only an opinion page on the issue. You certainly do not fault the creator of that site for having an opinion on the issue of birth control?

BTW, I saw a similar Planned Parenthood billboard on I-44 near Memorial. What is the underlying message of the "Birth Control is Easy" campaign? Is it "easy" because PP provides advice on terminating pregnancies? Seriously, I do not know.

[sgrizzle]

Goody! I was hoping someone would take their side.

Faulting planned parenthood for abortion is like faulting paper for being made into playboy. PP's focus is on PLANNING. They promote prevention, THEN adoption, THEN abortion. If they did not lay out all of the legal options, then they would be seen as overtly biased and counselors should always be unbiased and objective to be effective.

Don't group me as some pro-abortion tree hugger either. I don't give abortions on the weekends and am a huge fan of not being aborted myself. However I do believe that given the current legal status of abortion, PP is very important. They are pushing very hard (and should be respected for) trying to prevent pregnancies. While abstinence is 100% effective (unless you count the virgin mary) studies are showing that abstinence education is not having the desired effect. The problem is that telling someone who is already sexually active that they should quit, largely falls on deaf ears. The message should be this:

If you're not having sex, don't start. If you are having sex, and are unwilling to stop, at least use protection.

Potential adoptive parents are falling off trees, adoption should be pushed more. The recently adopted "Safe Havens" laws are awesome and hopefully will go far to push adoption over abortion.


Now to the opponents site. IT claims a lot of things as factual which are not (people don't abort 1/3rd of pregnancies. If that was true, they have to be doing them at every gas station and grocery store in town). It is not presented as a blog or editiorial as it is not. It is part of a local group, tied with a national one. Their connections between birth control and dead amish kids are far-fetched and in extremely poor taste. The whole site is aimed at being a rallying point for those who agree. Everything, down to the page layout, shows that. It is not aimed at actually convincing people to quit having sex.

[rwarn17588]

Birth control causes abortion???

Do vasectomies count in this equation?

[papaspot]

1. Birth control is harmful because it creates a sex on demand attitude, which can lead to sexual assault and rape.

That statement takes bullsh*t to a whole new level.

2. It does not protect against sexually transmitted diseases.

Neither do hamburgers. Should we get rid of hamburgers because they don't protect against STDs?

3. It creates sexual addiction.

Okay, we now have ANOTHER new standard for BS.

4. It causes abortions.

I guess if you define abortion as preventing an egg from attaching to the uterus wall then SOME kinds of birth control do. 'Course the author conveniently lumps them all together making even number 4 little more than BS.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

SGRIZZLE:

I looked at the website and it strikes me as only an opinion page on the issue. You certainly do not fault the creator of that site for having an opinion on the issue of birth control?

Nope. Everybody's entitled to their opinion. But I couldn't help wondering if this is just another Cubs type thing where they pretend to be concerned about something but all they're really interested in is control. In this case, the ol' "barefoot and pregnant" thing comes to mind.

quote:
BTW, I saw a similar Planned Parenthood billboard on I-44 near Memorial. What is the underlying message of the "Birth Control is Easy" campaign? Is it "easy" because PP provides advice on terminating pregnancies? Seriously, I do not know.

You sincerily don't know, you're just asking, huh? Bullcrap. You're just not that stupid. Like Cubs, you just can't resist a chance to get on your Party soapbox. Only your method is even more dishonest than Cubs. Just askin', eh? Ever hear of condoms? Birth control pills? IUDs? Planned Parenthood gives info on all these things too. Know WHY? Because the PRIMARY objective is PREVENTING unwanted pregnancies.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Goody! I was hoping someone would take their side.

Faulting planned parenthood for abortion is like faulting paper for being made into playboy. PP's focus is on PLANNING. They promote prevention, THEN adoption, THEN abortion. If they did not lay out all of the legal options, then they would be seen as overtly biased and counselors should always be unbiased and objective to be effective.

Don't group me as some pro-abortion tree hugger either. I don't give abortions on the weekends and am a huge fan of not being aborted myself. However I do believe that given the current legal status of abortion, PP is very important. They are pushing very hard (and should be respected for) trying to prevent pregnancies. While abstinence is 100% effective (unless you count the virgin mary) studies are showing that abstinence education is not having the desired effect. The problem is that telling someone who is already sexually active that they should quit, largely falls on deaf ears. The message should be this:

If you're not having sex, don't start. If you are having sex, and are unwilling to stop, at least use protection.

Potential adoptive parents are falling off trees, adoption should be pushed more. The recently adopted "Safe Havens" laws are awesome and hopefully will go far to push adoption over abortion.


Now to the opponents site. IT claims a lot of things as factual which are not (people don't abort 1/3rd of pregnancies. If that was true, they have to be doing them at every gas station and grocery store in town). It is not presented as a blog or editiorial as it is not. It is part of a local group, tied with a national one. Their connections between birth control and dead amish kids are far-fetched and in extremely poor taste. The whole site is aimed at being a rallying point for those who agree. Everything, down to the page layout, shows that. It is not aimed at actually convincing people to quit having sex.

Very well said, sgrizzle.  My opinions exactly.
I was a "love child" of 2 teenage parents in the 1950s, and was put up for adoption as an infant.  I am obviously glad I was not aborted, but I feel abortion should remain safe and legal.  I think it is a decision to be made by the woman, her doctors, and her conscience, and no one has the right to criticize her ultimate decision.
I am a big supporter of adoption law reform.  I think at the least, all adult adoptees should have access to their original birth certificates.  In Oklahoma, we are denied that.  Having your original birth certificate is taken for granted by most people and it is hard for many to understand an adoptee's desire for such, but I will leave that discussion to another thread.

[guido911]

PAPA: My question was to SGRIZZ and NOT you. Did you not see that or do you feel that your opinions are so meaningful and important that "you just can't resist the chance" to butt in.

And BTW, do yourself a favor and next time you baldly state as fact something such as PP's primary objective, at least take the time to visit their website. I recommend the following link pertaining to their mission statement--

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/mission-and-policy-statements.htm

Funny, preventing unwanted pregancices didn't make the list.


Oh,as for ME being "dishonest". We'll just leave that one alone, in light of the foregoing.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

PAPA: My question was to SGRIZZ and NOT you. Did you not see that or do you feel that your opinions are so meaningful and important that "you just can't resist the chance" to butt in.

Sorry, I didn't see the part in the terms and conditions that prohibits members from throwing in their two cents worth. I'll be watching to see if you abide by that rule.

quote:
And BTW, do yourself a favor and next time you baldly state as fact something such as PP's primary objective, at least take the time to visit their website. I recommend the following link pertaining to their mission statement--

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/mission-and-policy-statements.htm

Maybe you oughta take your own advice and read it yourself.

"Planned Parenthood believes in the fundamental right of each individual, throughout the world, to manage his or her fertility, regardless of the individual's income, marital status, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, national origin, or residence. We believe that respect and value for diversity in all aspects of our organization are essential to our well-being. We believe that reproductive self-determination must be voluntary and preserve the individual's right to privacy. We further believe that such self-determination will contribute to an enhancement of the quality of life, strong family relationships, and population stability."

Is the problem that they didn't use the exact words you demand or were the words too big for ya?

quote:
Funny, preventing unwanted pregancices didn't make the list.

Here, this oughta help ya:

http://www.onelook.com/

quote:
Oh,as for ME being "dishonest". We'll just leave that one alone, in light of the foregoing.

I don't blame ya. I wouldn't want to call any more attention to it either if I were you.

[tim huntzinger]

COITUS INTERUPTUS hurts, man.

I cannot imagine how the prolife position can be distilled or distorted into being agin birth control.

The abstinence movement did not work, so instead of appealing to higher sensibilities of wanna-be breeders 'they' go with fear.

Why not 'abortion hurts,' something we can all agree on?

[NellieBly]

I always find it illuminating to listen to men argue the pros and cons of birth control and abortion.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

I always find it illuminating to listen to men argue the pros and cons of birth control and abortion.

You seem to be saying it's none of men's business. As remarkable as it seems to appear to some women, many of us feel that we have an equal responsibility in the whole reproductive process. Most of the biology textbooks that I've seen say it takes two humans to reproduce. Do you feel that men should just butt out of the whole birth control process? If you do, are you willing to put the responsibility of feeding and raising the resulting offspring solely on the woman?

[NellieBly]

Men have no place in women's reproductive rights. Becoming and being a father or parent is one thing -- telling me how and when I can buy or use birth control or get an abortion is nunya.

Here is something interesting from feministing.com via salon


Hold on to your hats. I hear from a little birdie that the Bush administration has hired Dr. Eric Keroack to oversee Title X funding—the only federal program devoted entirely to family planning and reproductive health.

Keroack, who is currently the medical director of a Massachusetts pregnancy crisis center (you know, the folks that lie to women), will be the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Population Affairs.

Keroack is not only a well-known anti-choicer, he's also a major proponent of abstinence-only education...and when I say proponent, I mean ****ing insane person.

At the Annual Abstinence Leadership Conference in Kansas, Keroack defended abstinence (in an aptly titled talk, "If I Only Had a Brain") by claiming that sex causes people to go through oxytocin withdrawal which in turn prevents people from bonding in relationships. Seriously.

[Keroack] explained that oxytocin is released during positive social interaction, massage, hugs, "trust" encounters, and sexual intercourse. "It promotes bonding by reducing fear and anxiety in social settings, increasing trust and trustworthiness, reducing stress and pain, and decreasing social aggression," he said.
But apparently if you've had sex with too many people you use up all that oxytocin: "People who have misused their sexual faculty and become bonded to multiple persons will diminish the power of oxytocin to maintain a permanent bond with an individual." Hear that? Too many sexual partners and you'll never love again!

The good doctor has also explained his use of ultrasounds in anti-abortion counseling by stating, "even Midas lets you look at your old muffler before they advise you to change it."

And this is the guy who is going to have control over hundreds of millions of dollars in federal funding meant to provide access to contraception and reproductive health information—specifically to low income Americans.

I'm trying to figure out who the best folks are to contact to oppose this dude--apparently there's no confirmation process for this position, he just shows up to work. On Monday.

Birth control just got harder.