Birth Control Is Harmful?

[sgrizzle]

While I agree no-one should be able to force her, I disagree that men are totally out of the picture. The most commonly available form of birth control is for men to use and both parties have equal responsibility for the consequences of sex and birth control decisions.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

OH WAIT that's right -- the best medical scientists in the world still can't come up with effective oral birth control for men.

That comment reminds me of Carly Simon's deeply ignorant statement some time ago. She said, "If breast cancer were a men's disease, there would have been a cure for it by now."

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

OH WAIT that's right -- the best medical scientists in the world still can't come up with effective oral birth control for men.

That comment reminds me of Carly Simon's deeply ignorant statement some time ago. She said, "If breast cancer were a men's disease, there would have been a cure for it by now."

Yeah, because they cured and are now vaccinating for prostate cancer.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

OH WAIT that's right -- the best medical scientists in the world still can't come up with effective oral birth control for men.

That comment reminds me of Carly Simon's deeply ignorant statement some time ago. She said, "If breast cancer were a men's disease, there would have been a cure for it by now."

Yeah, because they cured and are now vaccinating for prostate cancer.

Exactly.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Yes I absolve all men of being responsible for birth control. I don't know a single woman who depends on a man for birth control -- unless of course we're talking vasectomy.

Then do you absolve all men of paying child support?

[NellieBly]

Again, take responsibility for your actions. You bring a child into this world it is both parents responsibility to pay for it.  

[snopes]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly



Yes I absolve all men of being responsible for birth control.

Again, take responsibility for your actions. You bring a child into this world it is both parents responsibility to pay for it.  

You seem to be inconsistent on what you want from men here. Which is it? For them to take responsibility for their actions or be absolved of all responsibility?

I lean heavily in favor of men being responsible, both before and after, btw.

And before you respond, watch out. I may just ask Papaspot to take that tape off his mouth and NOBODY wants that to happen.

EDIT: Oops. Too late Pspot changed his avatar. Whazzup with that pspot?

[NellieBly]

I don't think I am being inconsistent by saying take responsibility for your actions. If you're going to have sex and you make a baby, you have to pay for it, whether it's an accident or intentional.

I don't absolve men of the responsibility of supporting their children, I absolve them of being responsible for my birth control.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

I don't think I am being inconsistent by saying take responsibility for your actions. If you're going to have sex and you make a baby, you have to pay for it, whether it's an accident or intentional.

I don't absolve men of the responsibility of supporting their children, I absolve them of being responsible for my birth control.

I sure don't know why you can't see the inconsistency in that. Looks like to me you want to have your cake and eat it too.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Again, take responsibility for your actions. You bring a child into this world it is both parents responsibility to pay for it.  

Whether or not a child is brought into the world is strictly the woman's decision and birth control is none of his business. But if she decides TO bring a baby into the world, the man is responsible too? I see. Must be nice to call ALL the shots.

[NellieBly]

Two people have sex and a baby is born, both have a responsibility to that child. It's not just a woman's decision to bring a baby into the world. I don't agree with having a baby and not telling the father or hiding it from him. I have known women who did that.

Birth control IS a man's business only to the point that if a man doesn't want to be a father he better use it. If he doesn't trust his wife or girlfriend to use it, he better use it.

I do believe that women should call all the shots when it comes to their own bodies.

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by snopes

And before you respond, watch out. I may just ask Papaspot to take that tape off his mouth and NOBODY wants that to happen.

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EDIT: Oops. Too late Pspot changed his avatar. Whazzup with that pspot?

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[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Two people have sex and a baby is born, both have a responsibility to that child. It's not just a woman's decision to bring a baby into the world. I don't agree with having a baby and not telling the father or hiding it from him. I have known women who did that.

Birth control IS a man's business only to the point that if a man doesn't want to be a father he better use it. If he doesn't trust his wife or girlfriend to use it, he better use it.

I do believe that women should call all the shots when it comes to their own bodies.

Maybe your're single or maybe you have a completely different kind of marriage than we have but in our marriage, shared responsibility means shared decisions.

Do you think it's okay for a man to get a vasectomy without his wife's knowledge? Or is it different with men?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Two people have sex and a baby is born, both have a responsibility to that child. It's not just a woman's decision to bring a baby into the world. I don't agree with having a baby and not telling the father or hiding it from him. I have known women who did that.

Birth control IS a man's business only to the point that if a man doesn't want to be a father he better use it. If he doesn't trust his wife or girlfriend to use it, he better use it.

I do believe that women should call all the shots when it comes to their own bodies.

To decode, I think NellieBly is saying:
Male birth control is the man's responsiblity.
Female birth control is the woman's responsibility.
If you're having sex, prepare to deal with having a kid too.
Lying is bad

[papaspot]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Two people have sex and a baby is born, both have a responsibility to that child. It's not just a woman's decision to bring a baby into the world. I don't agree with having a baby and not telling the father or hiding it from him. I have known women who did that.

Birth control IS a man's business only to the point that if a man doesn't want to be a father he better use it. If he doesn't trust his wife or girlfriend to use it, he better use it.

I do believe that women should call all the shots when it comes to their own bodies.

To decode, I think NellieBly is saying:
Male birth control is the man's responsiblity.
Female birth control is the woman's responsibility.
If you're having sex, prepare to deal with having a kid too.
Lying is bad

I'm waiting to see if she'll answer my question about whether it's all right to get a vasectomy without his wife's agreement or at least knowledge.