Birth Control Is Harmful?

[guido911]

While the image of Cliff Clavin might cause some to lose interest in sex, it does not count as a birth control method as far as this post is concered so no need to bring him up.

Thank You.

[Editor]

I may be wrong but I think we may have wandered off topic.

This thread looks like a tennis match, cut it out.

[papaspot]

Sorry. Guess we forgot to get our comments pre-approved by the Gestapo.



AMF, TulsaNow. I'm not gonna walk on egg shells for you clowns. And I won't be forced to suffer a fool gladly--not on a message board anyway.

[guido911]

Editor--your right and will do.

[guido911]

Oops. you are right and will do.

[Editor]

The "eggshells" papaspot refers to was the simple rule of no personal attacks. Many posts are moderated for it. In extreme cases people have been removed from the board for it. Others choose to leave because they can't work within the rules.

[NellieBly]

quote:Originally posted by papaspot

quote:Originally posted by snopes

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

Did you okay it with your partner first?

Negative Nellie.. tsk.. tsk..
I thought it was up to the individual to do what they want with their bodies? I'm pretty sure Pspot consulted with his partner first, but what's good for the goose should be good for the gander right?

Well, ya kinda beat me to the punch there snopes.

I was being sarcastic -- and was refering to getting permission for your V job not lunch (sorry, really not interested in even meeting for a friendly lunch to compare birth control stories). The likes of me??? What The HELL does that mean? I never threatened anyone.

[RecycleMichael]

Ya'll need to calm down on this thread.

Who would have thought the topic of birth control would be so divisive?

Oh...everybody...

[guido911]

I know it's from Operation Rescue, but the first story from their website is exactly why abortion is murder:

http://www.operationrescue.org/

Here is another link:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=49516

Please, Nellie or anyone else out there who thinks like she does...Are these the reproductive rights you are advocating or that demand protection? Are these the reproductive rights that men have no business injecting their opinions on? Can we all agree that the answer to the question of this thread, "Is Birth Control Harmful," is a resounding YES.
If being a neocon means I find this reported event to be abhorrent, evil, immoral, and to say the least illegal, then so be it.

[rwarn17588]

Guido wrote:

Can we all agree that the answer to the question of this thread, "Is Birth Control Harmful," is a resounding YES.

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No, I *don't* agree.

Since when are condoms, birth-control pills, vasectomies and the rhythm method harmful?

And using that story to claim "abortion is murder" doesn't fly with the story you cited. That wasn't an abortion that occurred. That was an actual childbirth. In that case, yes, it's murder.

But abortion itself is not murder. You may THINK it's murder. But last I checked, I don't know of any woman who had an abortion who got hauled into court on murder charges. Abortion is not murder in a court of law.

But since you supposedly passed the bar, you ought to know that already, right?
[}:)]

[sgrizzle]

I can read the story now..

There was an armed robbery at a local bank today. Two men entered the bank and pulled out condoms before demanding money. Two people were injured in the ensuing prophylactic firefight but luckily no-one was killed.

[guido911]

Yeah RW, I passed the bar. Thanks for the law lesson, though. Just about as accurate as your opinions about lawyer apprenticeship and internship programs you discussed in another thread.

As for abortion being "murder" or not, this is my opinion and not a legal interpretation of the status of the law.  

As for the article, did you even read it? It said that the woman went in for an abortion. Instead of the baby being successfully aborted (and therefore killed) the baby survived (and therefore born alive). The baby was allowed to die subsequent to an abortion. With those facts, what is that your point? Oh, maybe your your point is that the abortion was merely negligently performed and it was the conduct of the abortionist after the failed procedure, separate and apart from the abortion itself, that constituted a criminal act. Wow, that's certainly a relief.

[rwarn17588]

Yes, I read the article.

Like it or not, you have to deal with facts when you're dealing with the law. Not opinions, which you seem to value more.

I noticed you conveniently ignored my question on why you apparently think condoms, birth-control pills, vasectomies and the rhythm method are harmful. What is so harmful about these things?

[guido911]

I ignored your other points because it had nothing to do with the two articles I posted pertaining solely to abortion. Remember, this thread was entitled "Is birth control harmful?" To that question, the answer is yes in light of the article. Will other forms of birth control have the same result as the article? No. However, your examples are methods of conception/pregnancy prevention, not conception/pregnancy termination. Do you not see the difference or is it that you do not care?

And by the way, let me be clear. Life begins at conception. Any person who claims that life begins at some magical point in time other than that moment is splitting hairs because absent some very rare catastrophic event in pregnancy, concenption will ALWAYS result in the growth, develepment, and delivery of a baby. Period. How that life beginning at conception is defined or characterized, or whether that life can survive outside a woman's body or in some testtube is not relevant TO ME, although it means a lot in the law. The one obvious contradiction in law that we are all familiar with, however, is that if a person murders a pregnant woman, in many states that person will be charged with two murders. A woman can kill her own baby and that's not even assault.

[rwarn17588]

Guido, here is your exact original statement:

Can we all agree that the answer to the question of this thread, "Is Birth Control Harmful," is a resounding YES.

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You didn't say, "in light of the article I just posted."

So ... are you saying the birth control methods (condoms, the pill, vasectomies, rhythm method) that I cited are harmful, or not? You've been not answering the question.