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Started by carltonplace, November 16, 2006, 07:32:19 AM

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TheArtist

#30
January 12, 2007, 08:53:03 AM
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Originally posted by TheArtist

Early in the year I heard about Heavenly Hospitalities development plans for Owasso, rumor was in a couple months they would get started on it. A few months later there was a topic on here about the development and it was said it would start in a couple months.  Well its been a couple months several times now.  Hows that development going in Owasso?




Here we are, yet again, about 3 months after the above post.  How is the development in Owasso going?
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

rwarn17588

#31
January 12, 2007, 10:42:28 AM
<caltonplace wrote:

The Tulsa Development Authority has officialy rejected the HH deal.

Its interesting that the developer is talking about "screening" the MTTA terminal to the paper now that the deal is dead. He never waivered on that point when he posted here.

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Good riddance. I thought Heavenly Hospitality's demands were unrealistic (especially about the bus station) and, subsequently, not serious.

TheArtist

#32
January 12, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
I am still have no idea what their "game" is?  It doesn't appear that they are developers.  Seems like they simply manage or run properties from what I can tell. Doesn't look like they have the money to build these developments before they propose them.

Its as if they draw up a pretty picture of a development.  Then; try to convince a place that they can build it and get approval to do so, try to convince someone to fund them, and try to convince businesses like a hotel chain to let them use that brand ....all at the same time, hoping that each of the parties will not catch on that all HH really has is a pretty drawing and none of the other parts.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

AVERAGE JOE

#33
January 12, 2007, 06:39:54 PM
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Originally posted by TheArtist

Its as if they draw up a pretty picture of a development.  Then; try to convince a place that they can build it and get approval to do so, try to convince someone to fund them, and try to convince businesses like a hotel chain to let them use that brand ....all at the same time, hoping that each of the parties will not catch on that all HH really has is a pretty drawing and none of the other parts.

You just described a pretty significant percentage of the developer trade.

perspicuity85

#34
January 12, 2007, 08:05:07 PM
Is the city ever going to try to get other developers interested in this?  Heavenly would surely compromise if there was any competition to speak of.

AVERAGE JOE

#35
January 13, 2007, 03:17:57 PM
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Originally posted by perspicuity85

Is the city ever going to try to get other developers interested in this?

You can bet the farm on it.

Folks, it ain't closin' time at the bar. No need to go shacking up with the first person to come along. The bar just opened, the band just started playing, and plenty of potential mates haven't even arrived yet, but they will.

TheArtist

#36
January 13, 2007, 11:02:33 PM
^ Thats a lie, a myth.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

AVERAGE JOE

#37
January 14, 2007, 10:40:30 PM
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Originally posted by TheArtist

^ Thats a lie, a myth.

What is?

Hometown

#38
January 15, 2007, 09:47:01 AM
I don't understand why the city is looking for a new hotel when downtown has several underused major hotels.  I don't understand why the convention center is being remodeled into a ballroom when there is a grand old ballroom in the Mayo.  But then I'm still struggling with the loss of the Brook, Will Rogers and Delman theatres.  Maybe another year or two of drinking Tulsa water will get me back in sync, inspire me to tear down something wonderful and build something second class.

TheArtist

#39
January 15, 2007, 06:24:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

^ Thats a lie, a myth.

What is?


"...plenty of potential mates haven't even arrived yet, but they will."

That part.

"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

PonderInc

#40
January 15, 2007, 10:02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Hometown

I don't understand why the city is looking for a new hotel when downtown has several underused major hotels.  I don't understand why the convention center is being remodeled into a ballroom when there is a grand old ballroom in the Mayo.  

I think that convention planners don't always need beautiful and grand ballrooms (like the Mayo), they need ballrooms with carpeting designed to hide stains that can expand to fit from 50 - 1000 attendees...which has nothing to do with grace or elegance or Strauss waltzes....and a lot to do with feeding the National Association of Associated Associates at round tables that seat 10 while a motivational speaker talks about surviving a shark attack and how you can find inner strength, too.

It's a different niche than the Mayo.  But, hey, I'll support anything that will bring in more convention money.  (Which would you prefer?  Buying all your daughter's Girl Scout cookies...or having a bunch of strangers travel in from out of town to buy all the Thin Mints you can find?)

As for hotels...I know there is a market for more hotels like the Ambassador, which is often completely booked.  In fact, one of my friends always stays there when he travels to Tulsa for business b/c he loves the beautiful, well appointed rooms, and being able to order Chalkboard restaurant food as room service.  

(BTW, I heard recently that the Snyders are planning to open a "boutique" hotel in the old Vandever's building downtown, with an upscale restaurant downstairs.  Next project after the McFarlin Building?  I've got my fingers crossed.)

AVERAGE JOE

#41
January 15, 2007, 10:46:34 PM
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Originally posted by TheArtist

quote:
Originally posted by AVERAGE JOE

quote:
Originally posted by TheArtist

^ Thats a lie, a myth.

What is?


"...plenty of potential mates haven't even arrived yet, but they will."

That part.


It's not a lie, there will be other development groups who will come along, but believe what you want.

TheArtist

#42
January 15, 2007, 11:25:49 PM
^ Just speaking from personal experience.  I once believed those stories, but now realize they weren't true.  May be for most, but there is no assurance its that way for everyone, and thus if the analogy holds true, for everyplace. And you shouldn't tell people a lie and get their hopes up.
"When you only have two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."-Chinese proverb. "Arts a staple. Like bread or wine or a warm coat in winter. Those who think it is a luxury have only a fragment of a mind. Mans spirit grows hungry for art in the same way h

perspicuity85

#43
January 16, 2007, 02:31:51 AM
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Originally posted by Hometown
I don't understand why the convention center is being remodeled into a ballroom when there is a grand old ballroom in the Mayo.  


The Mayo is privately owned.  Its owners will never let the ballroom just be used for any public convention event.

carltonplace

#44
January 16, 2007, 07:05:51 AM
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Originally posted by TheArtist

^ Just speaking from personal experience.  I once believed those stories, but now realize they weren't true.  May be for most, but there is no assurance its that way for everyone, and thus if the analogy holds true, for everyplace. And you shouldn't tell people a lie and get their hopes up.


Buck up little camper. In order to attract a suitor you have to go to the party, offer something that is attractive to a potential and then spend some time finding out if you are compatible. We'll go to more parties..we aren't giving up just because we broke up with one lousy candidate that complained about the way our butt looked in our favorite jeans and told us our trains were too loud.
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