TiVo Anyone?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by inteller

in 3 years you'll still have the same box and cox dvr customers will have the latest and greatest from Cox.

In my experience, Cox has consistently been at least four years behind the curve in terms of features and content.

When cable had just HBO, DirecTv had all eight HBO's for years.  When Cable was just talking about High Definition channels, we already had them.  And did I mention My TiVo was pre- 9/11?  Cox only started offering cheap imitations just last year?  
It just seemed funny to see the term "latest and greatest" being used to describe catch-up-Cox without a long string of smiley faces at the end. []

Tivo just started offering HD-DVR and Dual-tuner DVR's. Cox's box has both, plus a hard drive twice the size for almost 2 years now. Plus, all of it is built in for one price instead of $700/box. The cox box will record HD, surround sound, digital cable, all stuff my tivo box won't do. The tivo menu is a bit more complicated. You can't just go straight to the list of recorded programs.

Apparently I need to have a talk with inteller about his use of the firewire port.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Originally posted by patric

Originally posted by inteller


Apparently I need to have a talk with inteller about his use of the firewire port.

its all documented on avsforum.com

if you use an MCE pc you can use MyTray to do more stuff.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Tivo just started offering HD-DVR and Dual-tuner DVR's.

My Dual-tuner TiVo is going on six years now.
I saw my first HD TiVo in early 2003.

You can blame Time-Warner and Comcast for delaying  HDTV well beyond the FCC's original 2006 deadline.  They sat on their fat butts and whined for extensions (complaining they werent ready) while the satellite providers were providing service.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Tivo just started offering HD-DVR and Dual-tuner DVR's.

My Dual-tuner TiVo is going on six years now.
I saw my first HD TiVo in early 2003.

You can blame Time-Warner and Comcast for delaying  HDTV well beyond the FCC's original 2006 deadline.  They sat on their fat butts and whined for extensions (complaining they werent ready) while the satellite providers were providing service.

that is utter bull****. It wasnt -just- the cable cos. It was the networks who didnt have broadcast equipment ready, TV manfs who wanted to squeeze more profits out of their dying SDTV tech.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by patric


My Dual-tuner TiVo is going on six years now.
I saw my first HD TiVo in early 2003.

Dual Tuner Tivo announced April 25th, 2006
Press release

HD Tivo Announced September 12th, 2006
Press Release

[inteller]

hahahahaha 0wn3d!

Tivo can time shift your TV, not your reality.

[patric]

Those are Series 3 models.

My Series 1 was reviewed on 3/8/01
http://reviews.cnet.com/Philips_DSR6000_DirecTV_and_TiVo/4505-6474_7-6830370.html
"The DSR6000's dual DirecTV receivers is a really slick feature, enabling you to either record two programs simultaneously or watch one live broadcast while recording another."
Cost me $80 at a big box in Tulsa.

They also reviewed a HD TiVo on 1/19/05:
"When it was released in 2004, the DirecTV HD TiVo, also known as the Hughes HR10-250, was hard to beat."

Both models have since been upgraded to the newer series.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

Those are Series 3 models.

My Series 1 was reviewed on 3/8/01
http://reviews.cnet.com/Philips_DSR6000_DirecTV_and_TiVo/4505-6474_7-6830370.html
"The DSR6000's dual DirecTV receivers is a really slick feature, enabling you to either record two programs simultaneously or watch one live broadcast while recording another."
Cost me $80 at a big box in Tulsa.

They also reviewed a HD TiVo on 1/19/05:
"When it was released in 2004, the DirecTV HD TiVo, also known as the Hughes HR10-250, was hard to beat."

Both models have since been upgraded to the newer series.

that's not a Tivo box, thats a Philips Directv box with Tivo software on it.  Thats no different than the Motorola cox box that will have Tivo software on it next year.  Both will lock you into a particular service unlike a tivo box which you can take to anyone's service.

which I've always wondered.  What happens when it is raining or snowing and you have a scheduled recording on your directv box?  I bet the results arent pretty.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by inteller
that's not a Tivo box, thats a Philips Directv box with Tivo software on it.  

Sure has me fooled

quote:Thats no different than the Motorola cox box that will have Tivo software on it next year.  Both will lock you into a particular service unlike a tivo box which you can take to anyone's service.

I hate to point out the obvious, but chances are if you have DirecTV you may have already decided to dump cable.

[inteller]

yes thank you Capt. Obvious...I'm sure that will look the same on the Motorola box, probably with a little Motorola or Cox logo on the screen just like that.

but what you have is still not a standalone tivo box, for the reasons I've already posted above.

[sgrizzle]

Yeah, as inteller stated, not a standalone tivo box. You are running a dual tuner DirectTV receiver with DVR capabilities, with Tivo software on it.

EXACTLY what cox's DVR will be in the future.

Also note that your box, and it's entire line, has been discontinued as Directv now makes their own DVR's in conjunction with NDS.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

not a standalone tivo box. You are running a dual tuner DirectTV receiver with DVR capabilities, with Tivo software on it.

I think I pretty much described the differences in my first post.  Whether the hardware maker is Sony, Humax or Philips, it's still a TiVo and not some patent-infringing knockoff running look-alike software.

quote:your box, and it's entire line, has been discontinued as Directv now makes their own DVR's in conjunction with NDS.

Newscorp was penny wise but pound foolish by trying to market inferior DVR's to DirecTV customers during their short-lived ownership, and those customers continued to demand real TiVo's.  With persistence, you can still get DirecTivo's but as noted it's going to be a newer model than my 2001 version.
Now that Newscorp is out of the picture again, there is already talk of going back to the pre-Rupert Murdoch arrangement of "DirecTV with TiVo".

It's encouraging that Cox is talking about someday revamping their DVR's to TiVo.  But if you want something under you tree this Christmas, Conan's choice of a standalone TiVo was a good one.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by patric

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

not a standalone tivo box. You are running a dual tuner DirectTV receiver with DVR capabilities, with Tivo software on it.

I think I pretty much described the differences in my first post.  Whether the hardware maker is Sony, Humax or Philips, it's still a TiVo and not some patent-infringing knockoff running look-alike software.

quote:your box, and it's entire line, has been discontinued as Directv now makes their own DVR's in conjunction with NDS.

Newscorp was penny wise but pound foolish by trying to market inferior DVR's to DirecTV customers during their short-lived ownership, and those customers continued to demand real TiVo's.  With persistence, you can still get DirecTivo's but as noted it's going to be a newer model than my 2001 version.
Now that Newscorp is out of the picture again, there is already talk of going back to the pre-Rupert Murdoch arrangement of "DirecTV with TiVo".

It's encouraging that Cox is talking about someday revamping their DVR's to TiVo.  But if you want something under you tree this Christmas, Conan's choice of a standalone TiVo was a good one.

you need to get educated.  there is tivo hardware and there is tivo software.  you own a box with tivo software.  next year i will own a box with tivo software.  conan will own tivo hardware and software.there is a big difference you just refuse to admit.  its ok, you can be wrong...you wont explode.

[sgrizzle]

I think we're locked in a terminology war...

Tivo is a company that specializes in DVR/PVR technology. They sell hardware devices under the Tivo name manufactured by Philips (http://www.tivo.com/2.0.gift.boxes.step.1.asp) and put their software packages on boxes made by Sony, Humax, DirecTV, Motorola, and Scientific American.

Tivo as a hardware provider just now introduced dual-tuner and HD technology. Their software has been adapted to similar boxes by other manufacturers in the past, but saying Tivo put out dual-tuner DVR's in 2003 is like saying Microsoft sells dual-core PC's. On those boxes, it was merely Tivo software running on them. The Motorola DVR's used by Cox are sold with 4 different software manufacturers on them including Tivo, Microsoft, and Pioneer.

Hope that clears it up.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

 I figured that was pretty much $720 for three years.

in 3 years you'll still have the same box and cox dvr customers will have the latest and greatest from Cox.

and about the wireless question...all of my content is taken from the Cox box via the firewire port and streams across my network.  tivo2go is buggy at best.

I'm a total dolt when it comes to technology, and my mother is even moreso.  As long as it records what she wants it to, she's not concerned about bells and whistles.

Flip side is, I imagine TiVo is always going to have a "free box" set up since it is a subscription service.

I don't recall Cox or it's predecesors ever automatically upgrading equipment for me.  Whenever a new converter package came out, I had to call them to get it.