Saddam's Iraq and Islamic Terrorism

[tim huntzinger]

http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/

Imprimis is a conservative publication of Hillsdale College.  So, the article above may not be archived when next month's pub comes out.

Interestingly, the author does not mention the links between Iraq and the OKC bombing in 1995.

[rwarn17588]

These folks have as much credibility as altruismsuffers -- all conspiracy, no substance.

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

These folks have as much credibility as altruismsuffers -- all conspiracy, no substance.

Let me take this a step further.  The war on terror is fake.  Al-Qaida may not even exist except for the lies we recieve from the talking heads.  I know another "Conspiracy" right?  Do you even know what a conpsiracy is Rwarn?  It doesn't matter what you believe the OKC BOMBING WAS A CONPSPIRACY.  When two or more people CONSPIRE then you have a conspiracy.  So if you believe that Tim and Nickels conspired to blow up the federal building, then YOU ARE A CONSPIRACY NUT because you believe in a conpsiracy.  Back to Al-Qaida.  The BBC is is the largest broadcasting corporation in the world.  The BBC produced a 2 hour special titled The Power Of Nightmares which goes in to detail about the formation of "Al Qaida" and the faslehoods that surround it.  I know I know, the BBC must be the largest conspiracy wacko corporation in the world, damn it what are we gonna do!?  Hold on to your ignorance as tight as you want but at least get a grip on reality man before you are swallowed up by it.

TULSATRUTH.ORG

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/

Imprimis is a conservative publication of Hillsdale College.  So, the article above may not be archived when next month's pub comes out.

Interestingly, the author does not mention the links between Iraq and the OKC bombing in 1995.

Whats the reason for the OKC bombing talk recently?  Why was it in the paper today?  One reason is because there is new footage of Mcveigh in the army which contradicts the official story.  The media has to smooth out these bumps arising and remind people what the truth is.

[rwarn17588]

Keep talking, alt. Keep putting that foot in your mouth deeper and deeper. I don't have to rebut your material; it does it for me.

I've noticed you came back when iplaw wasn't around. Cluck ... cluck ... cluck

[tim huntzinger]

This is right down the rabbit hole, alright: check out the sourcing for Iraq's July 2003 terrorist campaign against the West: the Pentagon! Like we can believe those lying bastards!

Listen to this claptrap of whacked-out conspiracy theory.  The Iraqi Perspectives Project reference was commissioned by the Pentagon:

"I'd like to finish with another paragraph from the "Iraqi Perspectives Project," this one also based on a captured Iraqi document. I hope you'll bear with me as I quote verbatim. As I read, I'd like you to think about the conventional wisdom, as articulated by Representative John Murtha and others, that until the U.S. invasion, Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism.

The Saddam Fedayeen also took part in the regime's domestic terrorism operations and planned for attacks throughout Europe and the Middle East. In a document dated May 1999, Saddam's older son, Uday, ordered preparations for "special operations, assassinations, and bombings, for the centers and traitor symbols in London, Iran and the self-ruled areas [Kurdistan]." Preparations for "Blessed July," a regime-directed wave of "martyrdom" operations against targets in the West, were well under way at the time of the coalition invasion."

Sure, guys, like we believe our governement! Bullsh**!!  Everyone knows the Pentagon is part of the conspiracy!

And a sudden follow-up on the Congressional panel looking at the Heartland Project Bombing is astrange story to run on a Christmas Eve, don'tcha think?

Strap in, tighten the goggles, down the rabbit hole we go!

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Keep talking, alt. Keep putting that foot in your mouth deeper and deeper. I don't have to rebut your material; it does it for me.

I've noticed you came back when iplaw wasn't around. Cluck ... cluck ... cluck

Rwarn... you know talking about it and doing it are two different things.  Just because you say it happened doesn't mean it did.  And I quit posting on here because I was tired of wasting my time with people like you.  I have more important things to do.  IPLAW put up a good fight at times but never saw through the thick of it.  He probably left because he finally realized I was right and he went into a couple months of intense research like anyone with a brain would, could, and should do.

[ky]

[]they are just trying to change the subject so everyone will lay off of the president about Iraq. They have got the 3 idots that did the bombing even though it is hard to imagine that they could come up with such a plan, but somehow they did . I think they should all fry just like timothy McVeigh did .

[tim huntzinger]

Well, let us all agree to listen to Doug Haggman pick apart the Congressional Report exploring 'Middle-east' connections to the Murrah Federal Building bombing.

Last month someone tipped Haggman's outfit on an 'explosion' that OU was trying to hush up - but ended up being some ridiculous thing the students were doing in class.  I missed the screaming headlines before the website was updated with an apology (now, now, at least he apologized!)

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Well, let us all agree to listen to Doug Haggman pick apart the Congressional Report exploring 'Middle-east' connections to the Murrah Federal Building bombing.

Last month someone tipped Haggman's outfit on an 'explosion' that OU was trying to hush up - but ended up being some ridiculous thing the students were doing in class.  I missed the screaming headlines before the website was updated with an apology (now, now, at least he apologized!)

First, "Saddam's Iraq and Islamic Terrorism"?  These two things are so completely unrelated that you may want to consider posting them in seperate threads.

Second, if there was a wider conspiracy in the OKC bombing, its much more likely that the additional conspirators would be, like McVeigh and Nichols, a small number of self-disenfranchised, paranoid, racist, xenophobes.  Its therefore ironic (or, is it?[:O]) that the Northeast Intelligence Network, themselves a bizarre, xenophobic, paranoid, and allegedly racist group would be so interested in OKC.  They choose to blame "Islumists" for the hatred and ugliness inside themselves.  In psychological circles they call that projection

Finally, read the wiki article, Mr. Huntzinger.  One of Mr. Haggman's partners believes that UFOs are fallen angels, that giants built the ancient world and are still among us, and that the End of Days is, like, next Tuesday.  Not even altruismsuffers has pals that are that batty.

[tim huntzinger]

YOU read, CL.  The Pentagon is the whacky source for this info.  YOU look it up: fmr. CIA Chief Woolsely is on record saying that the nation owes the OKC conspiracy crowd a 'debt of thanks.'

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

YOU read, CL.  The Pentagon is the whacky source for this info.  YOU look it up: fmr. CIA Chief Woolsely is on record saying that the nation owes the OKC conspiracy crowd a 'debt of thanks.'

Gee, I'd like to read something TH, but I just can't seem to find a place, anywhere, where our government is acknowledging that the OKC bombing was anything but the work of a few right-wing nutjobs.

Tell me more about these damning Pentagon papers...where can I look at them?  While you are at it, can you tell me how the giants are involved?  Something tells me their big brains are behind all of this.

[tim huntzinger]

The Iraqi Perspectives Project details the final point made in the Imprimis article, that Hussein had an operation 'Blessed July' on the boards before we invaded.  If you bother to read the article, you may be as surprised as I was at the number of connections there are between Iraq and Islamic terrorism.

The 'giant' theory is pretty wild, is it not?  I think its proponent calls it 'genetic armeggedon.'  I have heard him on Coast-to-Coast but do not find his link on Hagmann's site.

Saaayyyy, why did Terry Nichols visit and call the Phillipines after his wife was already over here?  Well, here is another whacky source for you to ignore, the Wall Street Journal..

CIA chief Woolsely (sic) said of Jayna Davis that the nation owes her a debt of gratitute for exploring the OKC/Iraq ties.  He is also in the whacky vein, one supposes.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

The Iraqi Perspectives Project details the final point made in the Imprimis article, that Hussein had an operation 'Blessed July' on the boards before we invaded.  If you bother to read the article, you may be as surprised as I was at the number of connections there are between Iraq and Islamic terrorism.

The 'giant' theory is pretty wild, is it not?  I think its proponent calls it 'genetic armeggedon.'  I have heard him on Coast-to-Coast but do not find his link on Hagmann's site.

Saaayyyy, why did Terry Nichols visit and call the Phillipines after his wife was already over here?  Well, here is another whacky source for you to ignore, the Wall Street Journal..

CIA chief Woolsely (sic) said of Jayna Davis that the nation owes her a debt of gratitute for exploring the OKC/Iraq ties.  He is also in the whacky vein, one supposes.

Thanks for the link to the IPP report, but it really doesn't prove what you think it does.  It says Saddam wanted an international terrorist operation, but it doesn't say he ever got one.  In fact, there was only one second-hand reference to a possible attack inside Kurdish Iraq.  What is does say is that Fedayeen Sadaam operations were focused on blowing up Americans inside Iraq since before the War began.  

As I understand it, Sadaam didn't have the ability to do anything outside his country, and he neither had, nor wanted, an affiliation with outside terror networks to conduct international operations.  Nobody,  from Rumsfield, to the CIA, to 9/11 Commission, to the whole Bush Administration has ever produced a link between Sadaam and Al Qaeda.  That's because there isn't one.  

Don't get me wrong, TH.  Skeptism is a healthy part of any democracy and a cornerstone of ours.  But I just don't understand how one can be so incredulous at times and so blindly unquestioning at others.  Everybody who helped "hype" the Sadaam/Al Qaeda connection (except Cheney) has crawdadded back on that now.

And your WSJ "source" is an editorial, not a news story.  Editorial writers can (and do) print anything in support of their commentary.  Appearing on the editorial page of the WSJ can hurt as much as it can help, depending on who your audience is.

The groups that support these discredited notions don't have a leg on which to stand.  Further, the groups trying to make the connection to OKC share the stage with UFers and Armageddonists.

Like I said, skepticism is a healthy thing.  And there are a lot of people who appreciate people who are willing to pour over the facts, again and again, in search of the truth; its part of what keeps this democracy healthy.  Perhaps Woolsley is in that group...perhaps that is what he meant when he said that "debt" thing.

But not many people appreciate fakers who will invent their own story in order to keep the conspiracy alive, make a buck, sell a war, etc.  Do you REALLY think that "...US authorities have recovered and detonated nuclear devices in deep-water which were part of a failed terrorist conspiracy".  Seems pretty unlikely.  What, if anything, motivates these Jayna and Haggman people to tell the truth?

[tim huntzinger]

No doubt one should question motives.  The Pentagon report clearly states that 'Blessed July' was in motion before we invaded. In 1999.  Why is the Pentagon - not foamy-mouthed UFO hunters - lying to us in a time of war about this matter?

Hussein al-Hussaini (sic) sued Davis for her allegations as defamation and lost.  This is a picture of him and the FBI pic of 'John Doe #2'.