downtown arena

[AMP]

Well there ya go.  Explains it all.

Wonder how they are going to get all the big rigs out of the Chili Bowl and all the teams, racefans and trade show participants back home?

Bet they "Git-R-Done" in time for the Boat Show to move in.

[rwarn17588]

<AMP wrote:

Wonder how they are going to get all the big rigs out of the Chili Bowl and all the teams, racefans and trade show participants back home?

Bet they "Git-R-Done" in time for the Boat Show to move in.

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Well, duh. Expo Square is going to have two weeks to prepare for the boat show.

As bad as the forecast for Sunday is, I wouldn't bet that many of the fans, participants and teams will get out of town until Monday unless they took advantage of that break in the weather Saturday night.

Even with that, folks from other states won't face good driving conditions. There's much worse ice to the south, snow to the north, nasty ice storms to the east and a new batch of storms coming from the west.

And I'm not forgetting this snide and uninformed comment you made:

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The Tulsa ICE Oilers hockey cancelled? What is with that? No wonder events held downtown don't seem to work. Why cancel a game just because of a little weather event.

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Next time, do your homework before making such a a rash remark about downtown. You'll have more credibility that way.

[AMP]

Working with over 2,000 employees for 15 plus years I have learned there are many people that try to take advantage of small weather related incidents.  

Cancellations remind me of employees that can't make it into work when there is a small snow/ice storm.  But they are the first there to pick up their paycheck on payday the instant the ink dries on the signature, no matter what the weather.  Best thing for those types is to just fire them on the spot.  Good thing Oklahoma is an Employment at Will State.  

Had one show up on the news, caught on their weather day off sledding at the local hill.  Reminds me of the Worker Comp Private Detective Films of back injury claimants moving furniture, or racing their Personal Water Craft  LOL

People at Snow Ski Resorts in Colorado are constantly smiling and having fun, but when they get home they don't want to go to work or school becuase of snow???  

SUCK IT UP

News and Weather commentators seem to be making it around all over the state with little or no problems.  Small business owners are open and doing business and traveling around with little or no problems.  Of course they have the "Git R Done" what ever it takes attitude because they pay the bills, and not the Union Employee take a "Sick Day" mentality.

Commentators from up north that were calling the action at the Chili Bowl were laughing at how people in Oklahoma freaked out when reacting to a couple of inches of ice or snow.  Where they live they actually have more than 2 front-end loaders and a few run down old dump trucks to properly maintain the roads.  

Up-side of having Ice or Snow on our roads is you don't feel all the pot holes as much.  

No one I know had any problem with travel Friday, Saturday or today. Know a few that made trips to and from Texas, Illinois and Kansas.  Took them a little longer than usual, but they made the road trip.  

More traffic on the roads the better.

Can't understand why they closed Church Services today either.  Most are just "Fair Weather Friends" I guess. Additional traffic would of helped clear the roads.

We ran our event last month in December and had a record number in attendance.  That was with 10" of Snow.  We provided free tow services for anyone that got stuck in the parking area.  Had a 30 minute delay on the Turnpike traveling with the equipment, but we made it on time.

Believe University of Tulsa Basketball team had a record attendance during a snowstorm last year as well.

I can say I have had a couple of people whine and piss and moan that we ran our events when it rained, or snowed or iced.  They stated people could be killed traveling to and from the event. Guess that could happen at any time.  All the rest absolutely loved it.  

Chamber of Commerce Weather

Count up the clear weather weekends where the tempeture is between 60 and 80 degrees in Oklahoma, not too many most years.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Working with over 2,000 employees for 15 plus years I have learned there are many people that try to take advantage of small weather related incidents.  

Much of what you say is true. We overreact to the weather and we don't have the equipment to deal with it. Weather men love to justify their investment in Dopplers and revel in the increased ratings that bring greater ad rates.

But....
Had you been in charge of Public Works you think you could make a case for purchasing more equipment for the two snow events per year?

If you didn't have so much invested as a business owner in the success of your business (in other words a lazy union, work avoiding laborer)would you show up on every snow day?

A few years ago some predicted bad weather turned into tornadoes. The weathermen who failed to adequately warn small communities without tornadoe siren activating systems were practically lynched. Most are now overprotective in their reporting to keep their jobs.

Yes, the roads are passable for people who are responsible, courteous, thoughtful, prepared, slick road experienced drivers. Seen many of those around before the ice storm? They all show up on the roads and it would be like Dallas in a snowstorm. Disaster.

Finally, though you seem like a reasonable businessman to me, don't let your ambition and drive skew your impression of others. Some people are scared of icy roads, don't have health insurance coverage for falls and work their asses off for unappreciative bosses. You might be one of the latter.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Working with over 2,000 employees for 15 plus years I have learned there are many people that try to take advantage of small weather related incidents.  

Cancellations remind me of employees that can't make it into work when there is a small snow/ice storm.  But they are the first there to pick up their paycheck on payday the instant the ink dries on the signature, no matter what the weather.  Best thing for those types is to just fire them on the spot.  Good thing Oklahoma is an Employment at Will State.  

Had one show up on the news, caught on their weather day off sledding at the local hill.  Reminds me of the Worker Comp Private Detective Films of back injury claimants moving furniture, or racing their Personal Water Craft  LOL

People at Snow Ski Resorts in Colorado are constantly smiling and having fun, but when they get home they don't want to go to work or school becuase of snow???  

SUCK IT UP

Shortening most of your moronic rant...

Have you ever sit down and thought about the difference between a snow resort and Oklahoma?  Here's a hint: We don't have the manpower to clean our roads like they do in Colorado!  Also, ice is a completely different animal than snow.

And heaven forbid someone would go sledding at a LOCAL hill that they could walk to.  I guess you expect them to sit inside and be miserable if they can't drive to their job without risking their life... Your attitude towards people is very telling of the type of person you are.  I'm sure anyone with any type of self-worth wouldn't last long working around you.

[swake]

OSU for example was unable to make it's basketball game in Nebraska, The OSU players were never able to get a plane to leave in the ice from both Stillwater and OKC.

[rwarn17588]

<AMP wrote:

We ran our event last month in December and had a record number in attendance. That was with 10" of Snow. We provided free tow services for anyone that got stuck in the parking area. Had a 30 minute delay on the Turnpike traveling with the equipment, but we made it on time.

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I presume this traveling the Turnpike was before the state police closed the all the roads, which it did for hours during the last snowstorm.

Face it: You got caught making a false assumption about the Oilers' canceled game. You're p*ssed because you got called out on your bullsh*t. Don't get mad when people hold you to the same level of accountability as you presumably do with your employees.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Working with over 2,000 employees for 15 plus years I have learned there are many people that try to take advantage of small weather related incidents.  

Cancellations remind me of employees that can't make it into work when there is a small snow/ice storm.  But they are the first there to pick up their paycheck on payday the instant the ink dries on the signature, no matter what the weather.  Best thing for those types is to just fire them on the spot.  Good thing Oklahoma is an Employment at Will State.  

Had one show up on the news, caught on their weather day off sledding at the local hill.  Reminds me of the Worker Comp Private Detective Films of back injury claimants moving furniture, or racing their Personal Water Craft  LOL

People at Snow Ski Resorts in Colorado are constantly smiling and having fun, but when they get home they don't want to go to work or school becuase of snow???  

SUCK IT UP

Feel better about this post today with at least 15 people dead in Oklahoma and 125,000 homes without power in subfreezing temps? That's somewhere in the range of 300,000 people with no power (and thus no heat).

I think the idiots just might be the ones that risked their and their family's lives in this storm to go and see stupid little go-carts drive in a circle. Sounds like a great decision.

[AMP]

It's all about FLOOR SPACE. Like I have been saying for a few months on here.  Does not matter how many the facility seats, the total floor space is what is important to today's modern events.  

http://www.tulsaworld.com/SportsStory.asp?ID=070114_Sp_B1_Icest27362_1

Chili Bowl - From the Tulsa World

"It is the biggest annual sports event in the city, generating about $12 million in economic impact for Tulsa."

The County sanded the parking lot at Expo Square to facilitate vehicles moving in and out of the area.    

The cars racing during the Chili Bowl are called Midgets.  The drivers include Tony Stewart, Sammy Swindell, and 280 other top name racecar drivers from the US and three other countries.

"The Expo Center has 448,400 square feet of floor space under that huge roof dwarfed by the Golden Driller out front on 21st Street."

"Arenas, even the new ones, can't touch the Expo Center for just pure floor space. The Ford Center in Oklahoma City, when fully expanded on the floor, has 34,074 square feet."

"Hahn already has more than 10 times that amount here in Tulsa."

NASCAR driver Tony Stewart won the race, this is his most prized event to win each year. He loves winning the Tuttle Golden Driller Trophy.  

From this year forward the Trophy which is fashioned after the Golden Driller that stands in front of the Expo Building is called the Tuttle Trophy.  Named afer Expo Square's past CEO the late Denny Tuttle.  Tuttle passed away last January following heart surgery.

History of the Chili Bowl
http://www.chilibowl.com/cb_about.asp?uUrl=1/16/20074730.201

Check the long list of participants.

http://www.chilibowl.com/2007EntriesChiliBowl.asp?uUrl=1/16/20074239.997

[AMP]

It's all about FLOOR SPACE. Like I have been saying for a few months on here.  Does not matter how many the facility seats, the total floor space is what is important to today's modern events.  

http://www.tulsaworld.com/SportsStory.asp?ID=070114_Sp_B1_Icest27362_1

Chili Bowl - From the Tulsa World

"It is the biggest annual sports event in the city, generating about $12 million in economic impact for Tulsa."

The County sanded the parking lot at Expo Square to facilitate vehicles moving in and out of the area.    

The cars racing during the Chili Bowl are called Midgets.  The drivers include Tony Stewart, Sammy Swindell, and 280 other top name racecar drivers from the US and three other countries.

"The Expo Center has 448,400 square feet of floor space under that huge roof dwarfed by the Golden Driller out front on 21st Street."

"Arenas, even the new ones, can't touch the Expo Center for just pure floor space. The Ford Center in Oklahoma City, when fully expanded on the floor, has 34,074 square feet."

"Hahn already has more than 10 times that amount here in Tulsa."

NASCAR driver Tony Stewart won the race, this is his most prized event to win each year. He loves winning the Tuttle Golden Driller Trophy.  

From this year forward the Trophy which is fashioned after the Golden Driller that stands in front of the Expo Building is called the Tuttle Trophy.  Named afer Expo Square's past CEO the late Denny Tuttle.  Tuttle passed away last January following heart surgery.

History of the Chili Bowl
http://www.chilibowl.com/cb_about.asp?uUrl=1/16/20074730.201

Check the long list of participants.

http://www.chilibowl.com/2007EntriesChiliBowl.asp?uUrl=1/16/20074239.997

[AMP]

I have been driving all over Tulsa the past few days with no problems.  Actually the roads at 71st and Memorial were far worse than those at 21st and Memorial.  Didn't appear as if the plow had been at 71st and Memorial.  

Mathis Brothers furniture was open and Lexus of Tulsa, along with the majority of stores and businesses along Memorial between 11th Street and 81st street. Road was super bumpy on 71st east of Memorial.  Smooth sailing once you reached 51st heading North on Memorial.  

Highway 169 around 4pm the road surface was dry in many areas.  Still some ice where the plow missed.  Traffic was moving along at around 45mph.   412 or I-244 as Tulsa likes to call it from I-169 Weat to Downtown was mostly clear and drying out quickly in the sunshine.

Yes, I had to make a trip south today on a business matter.  Other party could not seem to get out of their office, so I went to them.  

I agree with you that some folks do not need to be driving when it is slick outside.  
Major problems: 1. Wrong Vehicle 2. Lack of driving skills. 3. Could be on the wrong meds.  

Gota have the proper equipment to handle the elements.  I drive a 4-Wheel drive Turbo Diesel Ford F-350 that handles this little ice deal like a small mud puddle.  I run studded tires front and rear, it makes the going and stopping easy as pie.  

It was far more dangerous walking than driving this past weekend.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by AMP
"Arenas, even the new ones, can't touch the Expo Center for just pure floor space. The Ford Center in Oklahoma City, when fully expanded on the floor, has 34,074 square feet."

That is true, but Tulsa is greatly benefitted by having the BOk center and the Expo center.  Different events require different kinds of venues.  You aren't going to see Elton John play before a live standing audience at the Expo center.  Likewise, you aren't going to land the Chili Bowl in the BOk center.

[AMP]

Last time I saw Elton John perform was during Harley Davidson's 100th Anniversary in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, outdoors.  

He played before a crowd of 200,000. Most were standing, some were sitting in portable chairs while others were on their Harleys.  Could you could fit that many people in the Expo?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

Last time I saw Elton John perform was during Harley Davidson's 100th Anniversary in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, outdoors.  

He played before a crowd of 200,000. Most were standing, some were sitting in portable chairs while others were on their Harleys.  Could you could fit that many people in the Expo?

Doubtful. But could they have done that on January 13th? (In Wisconsin)

[sgrizzle]

Hard to compare outdoor space to any interior space. Theoretically Expo could hold almost 100,000 SRO.

How about we expand the expo after bells leaves?

1 MEELION SQ FT.