Bible Contradictions for Truth

[unknown]

quote:Originally posted by truth4freedom

Originally posted by unknownyou really think they were drunk when they translated it? How come original Greek and Hebrew translations from the first century keep turning up that validate out current King James translation?

Find me one clear contradiction, in context. Just one.

I've never seen two. Where do they appear, and how do they contradict each other?

Funny thing, there are 300 prophesies written about Jesus thousands of years before His life that were fulfilled by Him to the letter. Also, Jesus was prophesied, on several occasions to die in a manner not even used during the time of the prophecy. I could go on, and on, and on....

Yes,Because man is just about the same today as back then... not perfect and ancient hebrew is not something that is easy to translate.

Just one... here is a list

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#introduction

So do you think Moses is the Author of the first five books? how did he do that?

did Moses part the Red Sea or cross the marsh of the sea of reeds?

Three kings or Three Magicians/astronomers from Iran

I could go on and on

[aoxamaxoa]

Good comeback but did that stuff on the link make me feel like I was gonna toss. My head was so dizzy from all those meaningless contradictions of fiction from 2000+ years back. I was getting stupid.

[sgrizzle]

Not exactly compelling. Here's the first one I clicked:

quote:
Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Begat, by definition, means "to cause to exist."  In Luke 3 it is tracing the full lineage (from verse 23 to verse 38) and get to Jacob in verse 34. Verse 23 is just the start of the lineage. Luke is a book in the bible known for it's excessive detail and includes all this, Mark is just saying that Joseph is from the line of Jacob, like in other passages where he is listed as a descendant of David.

What do you mean "how did Moses author the first  five books?"

[unknown]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle


What do you mean "how did Moses author the first  five books?"

Is it not still taught that Moses was the author of the Torah... the first five books? it was when I was a kid... just interesting because the timeline goes way beyond his lifespan.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by unknown

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle


What do you mean "how did Moses author the first  five books?"

Is it not still taught that Moses was the author of the Torah... the first five books? it was when I was a kid... just interesting because the timeline goes way beyond his lifespan.

Books like genesis are obviously about events far predating moses lifespan, but he was merely the person to chronicle it. Deuteronomy is considered to be more recent than moses but it is more of a "collected writings" of moses that were not as well travelled as the first four books until a few hundred years after moses death. Since publishing dates are a more recent invention, there are no exact dates of deuteromy's writing.

[TulsaDavid]

Infidel.org wastes no time conveying their lack of objectivity, per their title:

quote:Secular Web: Atheism, Agnosticism, Naturalism, Skepticism and Secularism

Their opening paragraph reveals their subjectivity as well:

quote:Welcome! The Secular Web is a website operated by the Internet Infidels, a nonprofit educational organization dedicated to defending and promoting a naturalistic worldview on the Internet.

In the words of Paul Draper, naturalism is "the hypothesis that the physical universe is a 'closed system' in the sense that nothing that is neither a part nor a product of it can affect it. So naturalism entails the nonexistence of all supernatural beings, including the theistic God."

As to the difference in the genealogies of Jesus Christ, Luke is recording Mary's genealogy and Matthew is recording Joseph's. Matthew is following the line of Joseph (Jesus' legal father), through David's son Solomon, while Luke is following the line of Mary (Jesus' blood relative), though David's son Nathan. There is no Greek word for "son-in-law". Of course, if this website (and a slew of others that all parrot the same superfluity) were truly objective, they'd do some objective homework. Instead, as the agenda of infidel.org (and as the name would suggest), their vain effort goes to dismantle what might first appear as scriptural contradictions, without any objective concern. And of course, parroting their parroting here only continues the same subjective mindset.

And far worse, they don't even realize that if they really wanted to humble themselves before the very real and very true God, manifested as Jesus Christ, they could even get an autograph of the Author of the Word of God, written in their heart, if they so chose to seek Him.

[rwarn17588]

Of course there are contradictions and incongruencies in the Bible. If nothing else, it contains edicts that are certainly archaic.

Perhaps the Scriptures were divinely inspired, perhaps not. Nobody on Earth truly knows.

But even if those words *were* divine (please note the past tense), you have human beings whose job was to take largely oral traditions and write them down and, later on, translate them. I think we can all agree here that human beings are, ahem, human and do commit errors. So one can deduce that errors in the Bible are inevitable.

Most wise people regard the Bible as an *advisory* text and not one that's be-all-and-end-all.

If the Bible is so perfect, why are scholars, even at Christian universities, still trying to figure it out thousands of years after it was written?

[unknown]

I agree with you Rwarn, but I find myself wondering what the oral stories orginally started as? Even today as story cannot be told with out some sort of embellishment. Could the true meaning of the story have been lost being passed all over the place?

but, then there are still people like this...

quote:Originally posted by truth4freedom


It's all in the Bible. A wondrous book written by men as inspired by the Holy spirit. In it God lays out His clear will for us and His loving kindness toward us. It's absolute and irrefutable. Some men have spent their entire lives, learned men at that, trying to refute it, and nearly all have come to believe it as inerrant.

[Rowdy]

You can chalk me up as one of them as well.

[TulsaDavid]

Likewise. I'm grateful to know a God Who chose the foolish things of this world's point of view to confound the so-called "wise." For someone in a short span of 70 years of life (give or take) to think they'll amass enough grand knowledge to dismiss God's Word is quite presumptuous. To think someone knows everything about everything, enough to say "nobody on earth truly knows" is just as presumptuous. God's Word has outlasted Roman Legions, Catholic Inquisitions and every tactic used to either destroy or discredit it, and yet it still points millions to an unfathomable relationship with Jesus Christ, God Himself manifest in humanity.

I'm also thankful to be counted as well.

[rwarn17588]

TulsaDavid wrote:

To think someone knows everything about everything, enough to say "nobody on earth truly knows" is just as presumptuous. God's Word has outlasted Roman Legions, Catholic Inquisitions and every tactic used to either destroy or discredit it, and yet it still points millions to an unfathomable relationship with Jesus Christ, God Himself manifest in humanity.

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It's more presumptuous to assume your version of a supreme being exists when no direct evidence exists that he/she/it does, nor is there direct evidence that your assumed version of supreme being is the correct one to worship.

Also, there are religions older than Christianity, including Buddhism and Judaism. Those have lasted longer than Christianity, and both have certainly endured as much as Christianity has. Don't try to play the persecution card when the Jewish people hold a trump.

[sgrizzle]

Belief systems are called that for a reason, belief. While scientists spend years trying to prove/disprove parts of the bible, they will never scientifically whether or not a omnipotent being exists, just like they can't ever say "aliens don't exist" because it is far beyond our capabilities to do so. Websites such as those listed above exist more to pump up the ego of the authors than to sway anyone. A huge chunk of christian websites and other material are the same way. I'm always impressed how people can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to say "I'm a better person than you" and that is supposed to attract anyone.

[ZX12Piglet]

this is the most ignorant thread I've seen yet! oh my jesus-god! who cares...this is why people have a building called A CHURCH...so you could talk about this "false" mumbo-jumbo bull**** there....keep to yourselves, not everyone cares to hear it! just like no one cares to be solicited! [V]

[rhymnrzn]

^......just thought to let you know what's going on before it happens, so nothing is a big suprise.  Jesus is nice like that.

[unknown]

quote:Originally posted by ZX12Piglet

this is the most ignorant thread I've seen yet! oh my jesus-god! who cares...this is why people have a building called A CHURCH...so you could talk about this "false" mumbo-jumbo bull**** there....keep to yourselves, not everyone cares to hear it! just like no one cares to be solicited! [V]

Then don't reply and just ignore it... I don't recall anybody forcing you to click on the tread and read it.