Why aren't we impeaching Cheney?

[aoxamaxoa]

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HAL&t=5y

He has gobs of shares......his family has made huge profits since he became creep president puppeteer....

Haliburton btw has been the prime motivator for alot of this misery.

[Rico]

[clip]Haliburton btw has been the prime motivator for alot of this misery.[end clip]

Yes but they are uniquely qualified to handle situations such as this...

Creating misery is but a small portion of the much larger picture...

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Cheney directly profits from the Iraq war

Really...I'd like to see your "evidence" on this one.

"While recent news coverage has speculated on the post-war reconstruction gravy train that corporations like Halliburton stand to gain from, this latest information indicates that Halliburton is already profiting from war time contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Cheney served as chief executive of Halliburton until he stepped down to become George W. Bush's running mate in the 2000 presidential race. Today he still draws compensation of up to a million dollars a year from the company, although his spokesperson denies that the White House helped the company win the contract. "

Source: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6008

Nice website.  Care to post something from a source that doesn't have an axe to grind?

And this is proof of what...that he is a shareholder in Halliburton stock...absolutely ground breaking.[}:)]

Anyone who believes that the US went into Iraq to make Halliburton added profits needs to back away from the KoolAid, the red dye #6 is rotting your brain.

[iplaw]

Here is a better question.  

If Cheney did something so impeachable, why aren't the likes of John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Ted Kennedy and their ilk ramming impeachment down our throats right now.

I'll give you two choices.  Either your assertions are garbage or your side doesn't have the guts to sack up and bring the charges; neither bodes well for your claims.

[iplaw]

"Meanwhile Dick Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, states that the Halliburton is paying him a "deferred compensation" of up to $1million a year following his resignation as chief executive in 2000. At the time Cheney opted not to receive his severance package in a lump sum, but instead to have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons.

The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1million. Nor is it clear how they are calculated."

This tells you all you need to know.  They paid him DEFERRED COMPENSATION as severance for work already done...THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED DEFERRED COMPENSATION!

Any other brain busters?

[perspicuity85]

Hey I realize I'm just speculating here.  And "my side" is independent.  I don't think there was definitely some unethical move by Cheney that warrants impeaching, but you have to admit, it looks fishy.  I can't stand the Republican "holier than thou" approach to politics.  The Republicans want everyone to trust everything they say as unquestionable facts, and refuse to fully explain the concerns of millions of Americans.  They don't  want people to raise concerns unless it supports their agenda.

[iplaw]

Great!  Another "independent" who conveniently only bashes Republicans... [B)]

Can you please tell me what looks fishy?  Sounds like your political proclivities are running away with your common sense and rationality.

[aoxamaxoa]

Is treason a new right wing value?

[perspicuity85]

I would bash any political organization that acted the way the Republicans have during the current administration.  

What's Fishy:  The vice president of the United States is the former CEO of Halliburton, which overcharged the federal gov't $61 million for contracts in Iraq.  During the period in which the overcharge occurred, Cheney was still receiving monetary compensation from Halliburton and held unexercised stock options.  It seems like a conflict of interest to me for Cheney to have retained these stock options after Halliburton was awarded contracts in Iraq.  Isn't he partially responsible for the decision to continue the war in Iraq, and thus extend Halliburton contracts with the US gov't?  The worst part is that he denied having a continued relationship with Halliburton during the war.  Why would he deny that?  Even if he is innocent, he brought this on himself.

And I find it ironic that you brought up my political proclivities.  If your political proclivities are so un-biased, how can you turn a blind eye to this issue?

[iplaw]

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I would bash any political organization

Why do I not feel convinced...

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The vice president of the United States is the former CEO of Halliburton, which overcharged the federal gov't $61 million for contracts in Iraq.

Evidence please.  Do me a favor and don't link to some hack website.  Do a little research and you will see that it was Kuwait who put the screws to us which led to overprice gas, and a couple a nefarious employees who, when the overcharges were discoverd, were promptly fired.

The spoils mainly went to Kuwait not Halliburton, but you're an Independent (TM) and already knew that didn't you?

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During the period in which the overcharge occurred, Cheney was still receiving monetary compensation from Halliburton and held unexercised stock options. It seems like a conflict of interest to me for Cheney to have retained these stock options after Halliburton was awarded contracts in Iraq. Isn't he partially responsible for the decision to continue the war in Iraq, and thus extend Halliburton contracts with the US gov't? The worst part is that he denied having a continued relationship with Halliburton during the war.

Maybe you are unfamiliar with executive compensation packages...let's revisit this issue again.

Why was he getting money from Halliburton?  By accepting deferred compensation he already work to receive, and by hold unexercised stock options that he also received as deferred compensation for work he had already done.  How is that remotely illegal?  

If he was an acting member of their board....maybe, but you're way out in left field, but....hey... you're an Independent (TM) and a clear thinker who wouldn't be swayed by political motives now would you?[B)]

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If your political proclivities are so un-biased, how can you turn a blind eye to this issue?

I never claimed to be un-biased, and I never turned a blind eye, in fact, I would venture to say that I've done a fair bit more research on the topic than you have, which is why you sound completely uniformed on the subject.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by PRH

I despise Republicans and their family values with all of my heart.

I like lamp!  Any other golden nuggets of wisdom Mr. Burgundy?

[perspicuity85]

Once again, I said it looks fishy. That's all. Unlike you, I'm not attempting to say that I know more about this issue than those who are currently investigating it.  I understand executive compensation, that's not the issue.  The issue is Cheney's denial of financial ties.  Hack website, would CBS News be considered a hack website?  There are stories about this all over the internet and TV.  What are the details of Cheney's stock options?  How do we know what he could possibly stand to gain from extending Halliburton contracts?  Maybe nothing, but I expect Cheney to explain himself.

[iplaw]

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Once again, I said it looks fishy. That's all.

And once again, no it doesn't.  Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

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Unlike you, I'm not attempting to say that I know more about this issue than those who are currently investigating it.  I understand executive compensation, that's not the issue.  

Hmmm... seems like everything is pointing in that direction, other than your hopeless fart in the wind that it could possibly have nefarious intent.

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The issue is Cheney's denial of financial ties.  Hack website, would CBS News be considered a hack website?  There are stories about this all over the internet and TV.  

There are also stories all over the internet about UFOs and Bigfoot.  And CBS...do I have to mention the Dan Rather debacle...

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What are the details of Cheney's stock options?  

Well, first and foremost, they are probably none of your business.  Second, the SEC highly regulates stock transactions and insider dealing would be considered a crime yet I don't hear them getting involved.

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How do we know what he could possibly stand to gain from extending Halliburton contracts?  
Maybe nothing, but I expect Cheney to explain himself.

He had no more to gain than the rest of the last 3 presidents (including CLinton) who offered no bid contracts to Halliburton as well.

As far as an explaination, I'd tell you to stay the hell out of my personal finances, but that's just me.  If someone wants to bring charges, I say bring it on.  Until then...go jump in the lake.

[perspicuity85]

Cheney denied having financial ties with Halliburton when he in fact did have financial ties. Period.  Millions of Americans find that to be somewhat unsettling.

[aoxamaxoa]

Published on Wednesday, January 31, 2007 by The Progressive  
Impeachment by the People  
by Howard Zinn  

http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0131-25.htm

"The time is right, then, for a national campaign calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney"