Does this mean we can stop talking about it now...

[iplaw]

Apparently global warming is unstoppable, so can we just drop it now and stop talking about it?  Everyone panic!  The bigger problem now is Algore needs to find a new hobby, although pounding ding-dongs and ho-ho's has been on his list of to-do's lately.

[aoxamaxoa]

Let's see.....Al Gore gets nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize yesterday and today you are mocking him with a Presiduncy standing in front of you that refuses to believe in science. Not only that, but this administration continues to attempt to hold back scientists. My daddy told me there are two kinds of lies. The one's that are outright falsehoods, which you seem to think global warming is, and the lies told which purposely omit the truth like the Bushevik's do over and over with their minions in tow.


http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2007/01/31/welch_interference_in_science_stunning/


"Welch said he had read about scientists being muzzled, but, "It's a stunning personal experience to hear directly from scientists whose life work has been compromised, who live in fear of retaliation or compromised careers if they adhere to their code of ethics as scientists."

[NellieBly]

We will stop talking about Global Warming when you Inhoff-voting ostriches believe it's really happening.

[iplaw]

Why do you have to continue to talk about it?  There is nothing that can be done about it.  You do believe the SCIENTISTS don't you...

[Conan71]

OMG!  The earth's mean temp has risen .4 degrees since the 1890's.

From NASA:

"Some of the changes in climate are due to short-term factors like large volcanic eruptions that launched tiny particles of sulfuric acid into the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) in 1963, 1982, and 1991. These natural events can change climate for periods of time ranging from months to a few years. Other natural events, like El Ninos, when warm water spreads over much of the tropical Pacific Ocean, also have large short-term influences on climate. The large spike in global temperature in 1998 was associated with one of the strongest El Ninos of recent centuries, and a weak El Nino contributed to the unusually high 2002-2003 global temperatures."

What I fail to understand is how with more stringent emissions standards since the 1970's why the last few years have been warmer.  It's still an imperfect science at best.  All anyone can say for certain is the nebulous: "There are indicators this is man-made".

Adding to irony is that carbon dioxide is considered the primary "greenhouse gas".  The catalytic converter on your car or truck converts CO to CO2.  IOW, the federally mandated emissions device on your car actually contributes to higher levels of CO2.

I'm quite skepitcal because the Chicken Little (sorry CL, not referring to you) mentality on this has lead to billions and billions of additional costs to business and consumers, with no apparent benefit.

[aoxamaxoa]

Here you go....I don't care. It will be my grandchildren and great grandchildren's problem.
Make you feel better?

[iplaw]

It doesn't matter Conan, we're all going to die, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it...according to the French...

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Why do you have to continue to talk about it?  There is nothing that can be done about it.  You do believe the SCIENTISTS don't you...

For one thing you can prepare the population that is going to have to cope with its new realities; stronger storms, rising sea levels, more intense droughts, changes in farming etc. Any effort made now to acknowledge the changes is an effort to adjust to them. Ignore the reality and the people are at risk.

Maybe Inhofe is right and the scientists are mistaken. If that is true then maybe the scientists promoting the idea that we can not change a routine weather cycle are......mistaken too. Are you a gambling man?

[iplaw]

quote:
Maybe Inhofe is right and the scientists are mistaken.

It's not just Inofe waterboy, there are a whole slew of professors and scientist out there who think it's a crock as well...but what would they know, they don't work for the UN.

On a related topic, our good buddy Algore ran like a chicken from one notable scientist recently when he was challenged to a debate at an open forum...

Algore the wuss.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
Maybe Inhofe is right and the scientists are mistaken.

It's not just Inofe waterboy, there are a whole slew of professors and scientist out there who think it's a crock as well...but what would they know, they don't work for the UN.

Then maybe a slew of professors and scientists out there who are beholden to their political beliefs are mistaken too. I just don't have as much confidence in experts as I used to, but when the evidence is conclusive to such an extent that the preponderence of scientists embrace it then you are foolish to not prepare and make change.

[iplaw]

quote:
I just don't have as much confidence in experts as I used to

Finally, a message I think we all need to embrace.

Algore won't debate...

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Why do you have to continue to talk about it?  There is nothing that can be done about it.

There is also nothing you can do about the fact that you will someday die, but that in itself is not a valid reason to not use what knowledge and tools you have to forestall an unnecessarily early demise.

Hopefully you know not to ride on top of a moving car (especially if you are the driver) or to eat broken glass, and yet some people are compelled to do these things while scoffing at those who point out the obvious dangers.

I guess I dont see it in black-and white, but a lot of hues and shades that illuminate different paths we may or may not take.

So, global warming will happen.  To what degree our children and their children's children have to suffer will have a lot to do with what responsibilities we take today.

[Conan71]

WB,

If a scientist starts out to prove there is global warming, he will prove it.

If the same scientist starts out to prove there is no such thing he will prove it.

Just depends on what their hypothesis is and how they care to interpret data to support the direction of their hypothesis.

What action is it I'm supposed to take?  Quit driving my truck and stop breathing so I won't contribute to more CO2 being sent to the atmosphere?

[iplaw]

quote:
There is also nothing you can do about the fact that you will someday die, but that in itself is not a valid reason to not use what knowledge and tools you have to forestall an unnecessarily early demise.

Apparently the UN believes that we are unable to "forestall" it, and you'd better listen to them or else.

quote:
Hopefully you know not to ride on top of a moving car (especially if you are the driver) or to eat broken glass, and yet some people are compelled to do these things while scoffing at those who point out the obvious dangers.

Non-sequitor.

quote:
I guess I dont see it in black-and white, but a lot of hues and shades that illuminate different paths we may or may not take.

You are simply not listening to what the UN is telling you then, and for that I am truly ashamed of you.

quote:
So, global warming will happen.  To what degree our children and their children's children have to suffer will have a lot to do with what responsibilities we take today.

You just won't listen to the UN will you...you skeptic kook.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

WB,

If a scientist starts out to prove there is global warming, he will prove it.

If the same scientist starts out to prove there is no such thing he will prove it.

Just depends on what their hypothesis is and how they care to interpret data to support the direction of their hypothesis.

More truisms we can all embrace!