Around the Pearl

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

UR right, BF, it is not about JJ.  Clearly there are a group of 'stakeholders' that have a full-time lobbyist with the City.  That group has a vested interest in securing pork for their projects to the exclusion of other developments.

awe, c'mon man brookside has gotten a ****load of work done...

[Chicken Little]

So, drowning is the new cool?  Let me write that one down.[]

Bruno has a point, ya know.  You're projecting.  Brookside gets stuff...and they do it the same way the Pearl folks do.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Brookside and my district is doing just fine, thankee.

There is not an unlimited amount of TIF's, CDBG's, or tax outlays available for all the projects 'necessary' to create the Disneyesque dreamworld urbophiles require.

I have always dug those brick buildings and thought the hood there has a lot of potential.  Those poverty-stricken residents demand a canal? HAx4!!

I will surely get off my high horse sometime but right now it is too fun giving ya'll a hard time about it all.

what exactly is your beef?

is it that this is a waste of resources? that this money should have been spent elsewhere?
or that the neighborhood is too far gone and should continue to be written off?

somebody seems to like buying his "ugly" buildings... your opinions about this topic seems a little personal... do you have something against jamie?

oh thats right your a "no tax" guy... **** all... let's take all your brookside pavers back...

get over it...
the flood control had to happen... it was done in manner that (when mature) will be multipurpose and great urban park... if you can't see that you are blind...

the neighborhood needed a nidus for fostering revitalization and that is what the park will be and the 6th street comp plan can have a huge impact on tulsa as a whole...

**** man, 25 years ago maple ridge was written off...

[tim huntzinger]

Well, now, Bside has been a thirty year project if my information is correct.  The hoodrats and the investors there have paid their dues.

And witness what happens when the hoodrats objected to the Eastbrooke PUD.  The efforts at having Gray etal comply with the meticulously developed Brookside Infill Project were ridiculed and maligned.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Well, now, Bside has been a thirty year project if my information is correct.  The hoodrats and the investors there have paid their dues.

And witness what happens when the hoodrats objected to the Eastbrooke PUD.  The efforts at having Gray etal comply with the meticulously developed Brookside Infill Project were ridiculed and maligned.

The Pearl District has been subject to flooding since it was built up in the 1920's.  By your rationale, Brookside are the ones cutting in line, not Pearl people.

By the way, nobody's begrudging Brookside its due.  Those folks do work hard.  Good for them.  

Take a look at the big picture, guy.  Tulsa's got one of lowest tax burdens in the nation.  Not coincidentally, they have a $4 billion "to-do" list.  Assuming nothing breaks and nothing new is added, it would take Tulsa about 50 years to catch up.

Is it any surprise, therefore, that places like Brookside and Pearl are aggressively pursuing a piece of the pie (cupcake)?  What would you have them do?  

Brookside and Pearl are in the same liferaft and you don't even know it.  You should be trying to wave down a ship or something, and instead you eye your neighbor as if they were a turkey leg.

And yet, you seem to be a low-tax guy.    Reconcile that for me.  I don't think that you can.

PS Besides a red herring, what's this Eastbrooke thing again?  Isn't there another thread for this?

[tim huntzinger]

Brookside has been long overdue for upgrades.  I may be wrong (WHAT? NO!) but the areas most affected by flooding in the 'Pearl' were shotgun shacks that were demolished to make way for 444.

I must confess that I lust for the Tuloil building . . .

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Brookside has been long overdue for upgrades.  I may be wrong (WHAT? NO!) but the areas most affected by flooding in the 'Pearl' were shotgun shacks that were demolished to make way for 444.

I must confess that I lust for the Tuloil building . . .

And maybe the Pearl is due, too.  I think you might be a little uninformed.  The Tuloil is in the floodplain according to their plan.  A little less sexy when it sits in three feet of water, huh?

You should really look at their plan, (Reinventing the Pearl District, in the "links" section).  Its all about fixing the flood problem and simultaneously doing huge amounts of redevelopment.  Lots more redevelopment, btw, than you cats in Brookside would ever allow.  That's fine.  But who do you think is going to be paying the bills in twenty years, a low-density Brookside or a high-density Pearl?  They could end up subsidizing your comfortable, tract house, lifestyle and keeping the development pressure off of Brookside.  Again, big picture.

[tim huntzinger]

BF, your website is funny!  If you are hankering to use naughty lingo on this board, why not really let it loose over there?  Why do I bother wasting energy on the Central Park bamboozle?  It looks like the 'good old boy' network has been replaced by the 'green old boy' network.  Four legs good, two legs better.  That is all.

Tuloil under three feet of water? Once in five hundred years I am sure.  It has been suggested that an additional $35M would bring the Pearl to where it needs to be.

The Bside infill plan also recommends higher density along Peoria, don'tcha know.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

If you are hankering to use naughty lingo on this board, why not really let it loose over there?

tsk, tsk, tsk... you assume far too much...

profanity is an art form... some people are just gifted... it makes for a wonderful straw man... it quickly flushes out the ad hominems...

anywhoooooo, my mobile reception sucks... any tips? you think it is my helmet?

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Just for the record, I think this "Elm Creek flood issue" has been pumped up into a larger problem than it really is to facilitate the building of these canals, IMO.

I have seen a picture a dramatic flood rescue that took place under the bridge just east of the downtown Home Depot. A fire fighter is rescuing a woman from a car in seven or eight feet of raging water.

There used to be a line on the bridge support that marked the high water.

That is why they need flood control on Elm Creek.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

...It has been suggested that an additional $35M would bring the Pearl to where it needs to be...

Yes, and you have poo-pooed the idea:  even though your own neighborhood uses the same strategies; even though the buildings you like are subject to flooding; even though people's lives and livelihoods are risk; and even though a propersous neighborhood over there, helps your neighborhood, too....

I've asked you for your ideas several times.  Is your tank empty?

[tim huntzinger]

I be *****!  The foil should actually help reception of your US Cellular, Verizon, Sprint, or Cricket service.  Not so much on Death Star Wireless.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I be *****!  The foil should actually help reception of your US Cellular, Verizon, Sprint, or Cricket service.  Not so much on Death Star Wireless.

what about cingular (or i guess it is att, now)?

[tim huntzinger]

Sorry CL, did not mean to slight you.  If you want to compare apples to crabapples continue pressing the notion that the 6thP area is the equivalent of Bside I guess I cannot stop you.

This theme - which comes first private or public investment - has vexed urban planners for years and surely will not be solved here.

I agree that flood control was necessary.  I disagree that spending $35M on that area will ever be worth it.

[tim huntzinger]

Sorry, BF. Cingular is now the new Death Star.  If the foil does not help w/reception, nothing will.