Around the Pearl

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger


I agree that flood control was necessary.  I disagree that spending $35M on that area will ever be worth it.

I just read the entire 80-something page document and I'll say I'm impressed.  IF all the infrastructure promises come true, there is no question that developers will show up.  Hell, I'll be building there in five years.

[Chicken Little]

So, its necessary, but not worth it.  That's razor-sharp stuff there, Tim.

Thirty years ago, Brookside was a crabapple.  Twenty years ago, Cherry Street was most definitely a crabapple called 15th.  But you're right, Tim.  Enough is enough.  We should just give up.  Its high time we let all those places that aren't as nice as your neighborhood go to pot.  

Maybe the magic flood control fairy will flit by and save us all.

[tim huntzinger]

I am saying that the big ugly rocklined pit was not worth it, tearing down the senior center for an arts and crafts center was not worth it, absolutely not.

Cherry Street did not need any public monies to do its thing.  Just some nice 'cherries' if'n you know your history.

Maple Ridge would have been an expressway if the urban planners would have had their way.

Floyd, what is preventing you from buying now? Get in early, beat the rush.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I am saying that the big ugly rocklined pit was not worth it, tearing down the senior center for an arts and crafts center was not worth it, absolutely not.

Cherry Street did not need any public monies to do its thing.  Just some nice 'cherries' if'n you know your history.

Maple Ridge would have been an expressway if the urban planners would have had their way.

Floyd, what is preventing you from buying now? Get in early, beat the rush.

The community center is on the Tulsa Parks Dept. website...http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Recreation/Parks/CommCenter.asp

Interesting picture, there, btw.



If I recall correctly (anyone?), that red box is where the old center was.  Dude, the "pit" is flood control.  And even a magic flood control fairy couldn't suspend the senior center in mid air!

/And Cherry Street didn't flood.
//Part of Maple Ridge is an expressway, thanks to urban planners. ?
///Floyd's probably deciding whether he needs to budget for life boats.

[tshane250]

I've said it before on this forum, but it deserves to be said again.  One man's wasted tax dollars are another man's well spent tax dollars!  It's all really subjective.  Get over it!

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I am saying that the big ugly rocklined pit was not worth it, tearing down the senior center for an arts and crafts center was not worth it, absolutely not.

Cherry Street did not need any public monies to do its thing.  Just some nice 'cherries' if'n you know your history.

Maple Ridge would have been an expressway if the urban planners would have had their way.

Floyd, what is preventing you from buying now? Get in early, beat the rush.

I don't get it. Why do you keep complaining about the old senior center being torn down and replaced with the new building?  The old senior center was smaller and not built to be wheelchair accessible. The new one is larger and is wheelchair accessible, and yes they allow seniors in the building lol. Plus it has more room for more events, classes, bridge clubs, etc. etc. for seniors.  Trust me 90% of the people I see going into the thing every day are seniors. I will be there just about every work day for a while and will start asking the people who used the old one and the new one which they like better.  Did you use the old building?  Are you using the new one?

[Chicken Little]

Sorry, TShane.  These no-tax guys drive me bonkers, as evidenced.  

My low-tax grandad used to say, "keep taxes local".  By that he meant, don't let the State and Feds take more than their fair share.  To him, local taxes were a better investment because they kept his property value up.  He was eighty years old and still voting "yes" for every school bond.

He's been replaced by a bunch of folks who sit there watching their houses burn, cooking up conspiracies about who started it, and fiddling with the notion of turning the hose on...cause, ya know...water's expensive...

Criminy!  What's yer game plan?  Hunker down and wait for armageddon?  What if the end of the world isn't next Tuesday after all?  The free market and magic fairies can only do so much.

[tim huntzinger]

In the competition for scarce resources this was . . . extravagent.

So who will clean that pond, Chicken Litt**, your fairies?  Who will weed around those dopey boulders? The fairies?

You talk about Zink, the old boulders that graced Crow Creek are all falling down in the creek.  The paths are unused and weedgrown.

I think the City and County have TOO much infrastructure and should look at selling some of that park space, not making it more expensive to keep up.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

In the competition for scarce resources this was . . . extravagent.

So who will clean that pond, Chicken Litt**, your fairies?  Who will weed around those dopey boulders? The fairies?

You talk about Zink, the old boulders that graced Crow Creek are all falling down in the creek.  The paths are unused and weedgrown.

I think the City and County have TOO much infrastructure and should look at selling some of that park space, not making it more expensive to keep up.

In response to your questions, Tulsans will do that work.  And they'll spend their pay right back here, too.  And those'll be jobs that can never be shipped to China.

As for the rest...  


"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."

[Chicken Little]

And if you think I'm calling you a cheapskate, you might be right.

Oklahoma's combined Federal, State, & Local tax rate rankings.

2006: 47th
2005: 46th
2004: 45th
2003: 48th
2002: 48th
2001: 49th
2000: 50th

taxfoundation.org

[Renaissance]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Floyd, what is preventing you from buying now? Get in early, beat the rush.

Don't live in T-Town at the moment.  May be buying shortly anyway.

[Double A]

If you don't mind hookers in the hood, moving to the Pearl now will probably pay dividends later. I know there are many dedicated people working on dealing with this problem and if successful it could disappear quite quickly.

You know, JJ brings some of this ill will on himself, like the time he went running to the media to scream about how incensed he was because he didn't get 20 million for these canals on the last third penny, when people were out fighting like hell to get the woefully inadequate $500,000 for the Comp Plan Update included.

[tim huntzinger]

OK OK I plead guilty.  Watch the pennies and the dollars take care of themselves.  I am a spending hawk, penny-pincher, tightwad, whatever.
I resent 'developers' acting like taking tax dollars is a heroic thing, worthy of a Congressional Medal, and that we should worship the ground they walk on and pay whatever they say we should because they have visions and dreams that surpass our ability to comprehend.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no way 'Tulsans' have a lock on the yardwork on the park.  Chances are this will be done by immigrant labor, if not from Mexico than by County Tulsans.  And BTW the work is piling up: if we had recyclable drink containers we could pay for the yardwork just by dredging the pond.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

OK OK I plead guilty.  Watch the pennies and the dollars take care of themselves.  I am a spending hawk, penny-pincher, tightwad, whatever.
I resent 'developers' acting like taking tax dollars is a heroic thing, worthy of a Congressional Medal, and that we should worship the ground they walk on and pay whatever they say we should because they have visions and dreams that surpass our ability to comprehend.

Furthermore, there is absolutely no way 'Tulsans' have a lock on the yardwork on the park.  Chances are this will be done by immigrant labor, if not from Mexico than by County Tulsans.  And BTW the work is piling up: if we had recyclable drink containers we could pay for the yardwork just by dredging the pond.

Begrudging someone else's neighborhood the improvements they need to succeed is not being a hawk.  Maybe a crabby 'ole bluejay, but not a hawk.

Considering both neighborhoods are part of the same city and ultimately share the same fate, then I'd say there is a bit of sandy-headed ostrich showing, too.

For the record, I don't think developers are entitled to my money, either.  But I don't think that is what's happening in Brookside or Pearl.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Just for the record, I think this "Elm Creek flood issue" has been pumped up into a larger problem than it really is to facilitate the building of these canals, IMO.

I have seen a picture a dramatic flood rescue that took place under the bridge just east of the downtown Home Depot. A fire fighter is rescuing a woman from a car in seven or eight feet of raging water.

There used to be a line on the bridge support that marked the high water.

That is why they need flood control on Elm Creek.

That is in the Tracy Park Gunboat Park Area, not the Pearl. BTW, we now have flood control in Elm Creek. You really make this too easy, I support the Detention pond that was built in central park to address those problems, these canals are a different story.

 Anybody care to address my concerns about the pumps? I find it a little odd that it has been ignored or a response is taking so long to formulate.