Annexing the fairgrounds into the city

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by akupetsky

County Commissioners formally respond to the Mayor's requests:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070310_1_A1_hTheC37312

Ms. Miller does not want an auditor to review the fairgrounds tax collections, because an auditor "couldn't enforce state laws."

Instead, she wants to promise to send the vendors a LETTER.  Yes, letters are much more effective at enforcing laws.

I watched the entire meeting...

My jaw dropped open when they said "No; we do not even look at the gross receipts from the major events.."

I believe this was prompted by Mister Wanamacher, (sp?) giving his short, enthusiastic? talk as to "why the fairgrounds should stay just the way they are."

The receipts are what dictates how much money is made by the County, State... and who else would benefit by this amount... oh yeah that pesky little group known as the IRS....

No reason to have an Auditor look at those numbers either... That's the way I've always  felt.

I'm almost certain that Phil Wood had a bag of popcorn and a soda watching that show.

[}:)]

[Double A]

More from the report:

(pg 12) The city is just beginning to rebound from significant revenue declines, which followed the loss of approximately 28,000 area jobs from 2000 to 2003. As the cost of municipal services have continued to rise, the city today has the same "purchasing power" it had ten years ago.

Shadows is full of sh#*t.

[waterboy]

so, mind bomber, how come you didn't post Ken Neals Sunday editorial. guess anyone who sees all sides of the issue is full of s**t, huh?

[Double A]

Ken Neal also wrote glorious editorials promoting Great Plains. Ken Neal has 0 credibility as far as I am concerned. Keep drinking the Kenny Kool Aid, waterbuoy.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Ken Neal also wrote glorious editorials promoting Great Plains. Ken Neal has 0 credibility as far as I am concerned. Keep drinking the Kenny Kool Aid, waterbuoy.

So you don't disagree with what he has to say? Simply don't like his background?  At least he explains in detail both sides of the issue. Look at the big picture like he did and you'll gain some credibility yourself.

[Conan71]

Hey Waterboy- what happened to the boat project?  Here you are slumming with us catfish again...tsk tsk. []

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Hey Waterboy- what happened to the boat project?  Here you are slumming withs catfish again...tsk tsk. []

Yeah,I know, but AlAnon (Aa) is getting away with murder. Just couldn't stands no more. This is it. Really. This is really the last post. Kind of like giving up smokes...

[Double A]

Remember when the Whirled "eDITTOrialized" for the at-large charter change? The interesting thing about that was it turned out the same illegal out of state paid professional signature gatherers circulating the TABOR petition were working the at-large petition, too. Can you guess who donated to the group that paid for that?

Me? Getting away with murder? Nah, it's the folks pouring the the Kool Aid that are killing Tulsa and getting away with it. It seems waterbuoy drank up and his bloated corpse is floating in a river of it.

[waterboy]

Cute. Meaningless. Typical. Attack the messenger, not the message. Although I am close to you politically, your tactics are frustrating to me.

Of course we'll annex the fairgrounds. It won't accomplish much. Keep officials busy I guess. The deck chairs will be re-arranged then a new plan for increasing revenues will emerge and fail. The structure of tax collections in the state is killing the city and to a lesser extent the county. Thats where the battle belongs.

Good luck.

[Conan71]

So someone set me straight on this.  How would this be any different as far as creating new revenue than someone building a new shopping mall with 60 stores to collect sales tax?  From the other posts, what tax would be assessed on sounds a little convoluted.

If'n the city annexes the fairgrounds and five years down the line we are still running short on cash then what?  A local income tax?

[shadows]

Some of the posters sees the tax structure on the fair grounds as a value added tax on the exchange of money.  The only tax available to the city by annexing the grounds would be a very limited and complex sorting of what is the sale of a commodity and eliminating  that which is exempted.   The OTC would have very little interest because of the time/cost ratio it would consume if they felt they were obligated to perform the service for the city.  

It would not be cost-effective for the county to furnish the city data that is sent to the OTC designated as being collected at the fair grounds which they never look at.  The data is available on the taxes from the OTC and can be reviewed by a person if they can show cause.

The primary source subject to sales taxes designated as to be paid to the city by the OTC would be on food if there was a way to collect as a auditor stood by and made sure that the 6 cents was dropped in a special bank and sent to the tax commission at the end of each day.   Thus the $2,00 hot dog would cost the children and parents $2.06 cents.  The crony cost of providing this service by the city would I am sure be welcomed by the OTC.   The cost would out distant the benefit's the city would  gain.   Course Phil could make the collections of the little banks at the closing each day.

The other solution would be take the advice given in some of these reports that says "reduce department heads salaries".   But their response will be " We'll have to lay off some Police Officers and Firemen".

Could we tax the politicians because so many people wants to give them money?

[Conan71]

I went to a motorcycle swap meet at the OKC fairgrounds a few years ago and set up as a vendor.  Someone either from OTC or Oklahoma City's revenue department walked around handing out sales tax remittance forms.

There were perhaps 100 vendors from about a four state area.  Out of that, I'd bet less than five were incorporated, the rest were individuals who were selling out of private collections.  

Once the tax official was out of sight, most everyone ripped up the tax form or went to the bathroom to wipe with it.  IOW, when you are talking about gun shows, flea markets and the like, enforcement of proper sales reporting and tax collection would be next to impossible without a bunch of added manpower to see to it all sales tax due is collected.

[David Arnett]

Council greed risks Tulsa prosperity

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1196&Itemid=2

[RecycleMichael]

Gee David.

Since the county pays your salary, it is no wonder that you take their side in this issue.

Did you forget to disclose this fact?

[sgrizzle]

Let's play "let's make a deal"

The county gives up to the city one of the following:
A. A cut of property tax revenue
B. The fairgrounds
C. Door #3