2008 Republican contenders

[tim huntzinger]

Hmmm here is a word for you: EVANGELICULT!

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Hmmm here is a word for you: EVANGELICULT!

Okay...

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

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christianist  -
A member of the Christian faith who seeks to use a religion of peace and tolerance for political and personal gain.

You must be an incredible mind reader to determine such things about people.  I'm guessing with you, there's no difference between that and a person seeking political and personal gain who happens to be a christian...

Of course I see a difference there: One puts his hand on the bible and swears to uphold the constitution; And the Christianist puts his hand on the constitution and swears to uphold the bible.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
christianist  -
A member of the Christian faith who seeks to use a religion of peace and tolerance for political and personal gain.

You must be an incredible mind reader to determine such things about people.  I'm guessing with you, there's no difference between that and a person seeking political and personal gain who happens to be a christian...

Of course I see a difference there: One puts his hand on the bible and swears to uphold the constitution; And the Christianist puts his hand on the constitution and swears to uphold the bible.

And who might these Eeeeviiile men be?  I don't know of any...or are you just shadow-boxing?

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Why do you think Rudy won't make it out of the primaries?  If it's the affair deal, I don't think the Christian right is going to make that big a deal of it.  

Stance on abortion?

The other night on H & C he said he personally is against abortion, and doesn't like it, but believes it's up to a woman's conscience.  He doesn't believe the government should limit that choice.  That was one thing he said that appealed to me.  I don't believe our government should legislate morality.

Abortion is a dead issue anyhow.  It's not been repealed now through seven administrations, and I don't see it being repealed in the future.

I'll make my answer simple, so that even Oklahoma Republicans can understand it:

The abortion issue will wound Rudy Guiliani.

The gun control issue will kill Rudy Guiliani.

The gay rights issue will bury Rudy Guiliani.

Still can't resist posting a link:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/471189p-396520c.html

quote:A preview of what Giuliani, a 62-year-old thrice-married Catholic, could face in the heartland came in a 2002 debate, when Democrat Alex Sanders famously attacked Senate candidate Lindsey Graham for being buddies with Giuliani.

"Giuliani is an ultraliberal," Sanders said. "He supports gay rights. He supports banning all handguns. He supports abortion. His wife kicked him out, and he moved in with two gay men and a Shih Tzu. Is that South Carolina values? I don't think so."

[iplaw]

The Democrats angle will be Rudi's stance on social issues because they know if he does get the nomination their candidate, whoever it is, is toast.

[tim huntzinger]

Rudy is addressing his social stances by declaring that he will place conservative judges like Thomas and Scalia on the bench.

Romney is addressing his religion by having people understand that one may vote for someone because of shared values, not necessarily shared religion.

[Conan71]

Sooner or later, abortion needs to quit being a presidential campaign issue.  IMO, with Roe V. Wade staying pretty much in tact for 34 years now, it's nothing more than a litmus test for primary candidates.

Both Guiliani and Romney are pro-choice.  I had heard yesterday that Romney believes abortion needs to stay legal so that women can have safe health care if they make the personal choice to terminate a pregnancy.

[iplaw]

But it HAS to be an issue Conan!  We're all fundamentalist robots have you forgotten?  If it's an issue not then Rudi is a shoe-in and Mangina is finished.

[RecycleMichael]

Rudy Guliani has no chance at winning a republican primary.

First, he is pro-choice. How many Republican campaign insiders are pro-choice?

Secondly, his past is filled with scandal and infidelity. Remember, he was Bush's nominee to lead the newly created Department of Homeland Security, but withdrew after he admitted extra-marital affairs.

Remember the toxic air issues after the Twin Towers came down? Rudy was compliant in hiding the facts causing continuing health issues thousands of residents and rescue workers.

Remember the Brooklyn museum exhibit that Rudy tried to stop funding for because of nudity? The courts ruled against him and he looked more prudish than John Ashcroft.

Remember the complaints of abuse by police ordered by Guliani to cleanup Times Square?

Face it. Rudy Guliani has more baggage than Hilary Clinton. I doubt either of them can win, but he won't make it past the first round.

[tim huntzinger]

It is a tough row to how but it can be done.  I would sell Rudy as a tough-on-crime decision-maker who gets things done.

Again, his strategery will deflect his pro-abortion stance with the promise of conservative jurists.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
christianist  -
A member of the Christian faith who seeks to use a religion of peace and tolerance for political and personal gain.

You must be an incredible mind reader to determine such things about people.  I'm guessing with you, there's no difference between that and a person seeking political and personal gain who happens to be a christian...

Of course I see a difference there: One puts his hand on the bible and swears to uphold the constitution; And the Christianist puts his hand on the constitution and swears to uphold the bible.

And who might these Eeeeviiile men be?  I don't know of any...or are you just shadow-boxing?

Hmm.. Don't know a Christianist?  Here's a example to help you:

"Stability in Iraq ultimately depends on spreading the message of Jesus Christ, the message of peace on earth, good will towards men. Everything depends on everyone learning about the birth of the Savior."
- Rep. Robin Hayes (R-NC)

[iplaw]

quote:
First, he is pro-choice. How many Republican campaign insiders are pro-choice?

Non-issue.

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Secondly, his past is filled with scandal and infidelity. Remember, he was Bush's nominee to lead the newly created Department of Homeland Security, but withdrew after he admitted extra-marital affairs.

We've had a philanderer in the oval orifice before, non-issue.

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Remember the toxic air issues after the Twin Towers came down? Rudy was compliant in hiding the facts causing continuing health issues thousands of residents and rescue workers.

I think you're the only one who knows/cares about this issue.  Doubt it will even be raised.

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Remember the Brooklyn museum exhibit that Rudy tried to stop funding for because of nudity? The courts ruled against him and he looked more prudish than John Ashcroft.

Did he punch someone on the playground in fourth grade?  If so, that may be more of an issue than this.

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Remember the complaints of abuse by police ordered by Guliani to cleanup Times Square?

See above.

[RecycleMichael]

We've had a philanderer in the oval orifice before, non-issue.

But republicans were outraged by extra-marital affairs! Don't tell me that there is a double standard!

Go ahead and make Rudy the nominee, the republicans are going to lose the White House in two years anyway.

[iplaw]

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But republicans were outraged by extra-marital affairs! Don't tell me that there is a double standard!

In politics...never!  I call it the "I voted for it, before I voted against it" axiom.  If you haven't flip floped at least 3 times on an issue the politician isn't trying hard enough.