Troost Lofts

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Steve

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

If they wanted to improve the Cherry Street historical ambiance and get my congratulations they could have replaced those drug infested 60's era apartments with their lofts instead of the single family rentals.

Agreed.  I saw the story and Cindy Morrison's gushing too.  I think she said the new condos START at something like $250,000.00 and are going fast.  Who is buying them?  If I had $250,000 or more to spend on a residence, I wouldn't buy one of those, but a nice single-family detached home.

Not everyone want to live in a single family dwelling, especially if they aren't a single family unit.

If no one wanted them they wouldn't sell. Tulsa needs a variety of housing types for a diverse type of households. We can't all marry as soon as we leave home and start pumping out kids. There needs to be some free and creative people around to run the place.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by Steve
Agreed.  I saw the story and Cindy Morrison's gushing too.  I think she said the new condos START at something like $250,000.00 and are going fast.  Who is buying them?  If I had $250,000 or more to spend on a residence, I wouldn't buy one of those, but a nice single-family detached home.

The target market for the Troost lofts is young 20-somethings, particularly couples or singles.

[brunoflipper]

your concerns about these specific lofts and this developer have all been beaten to death on a previous thread...

MODs combine this with the old one...

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

your concerns about these specific lofts and this developer have all been beaten to death on a previous thread...

MODs combine this with the old one...

Fair enough

I wonder sometimes if the Broken Arrow builders association hires people to come on here and belittle the new urban development going on.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Kudos for even understanding the irony. I wish someone had spoken up before former Mayor Terry whatever, tore down houses between the BA and 15th just west of Peoria to put in a walled off gated neighborhood. A few of the examples they wasted are still there just west of the development.

If they wanted to improve the Cherry Street historical ambiance and get my congratulations they could have replaced those drug infested 60's era apartments with their lofts instead of the single family rentals.

F*#k you very much. Don't be a stereotypical prick.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Kudos for even understanding the irony. I wish someone had spoken up before former Mayor Terry whatever, tore down houses between the BA and 15th just west of Peoria to put in a walled off gated neighborhood. A few of the examples they wasted are still there just west of the development.

If they wanted to improve the Cherry Street historical ambiance and get my congratulations they could have replaced those drug infested 60's era apartments with their lofts instead of the single family rentals.

F*#k you very much. Don't be a stereotypical prick.

Don't be such a friggin' Communist all the time, eh?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Kudos for even understanding the irony. I wish someone had spoken up before former Mayor Terry whatever, tore down houses between the BA and 15th just west of Peoria to put in a walled off gated neighborhood. A few of the examples they wasted are still there just west of the development.

If they wanted to improve the Cherry Street historical ambiance and get my congratulations they could have replaced those drug infested 60's era apartments with their lofts instead of the single family rentals.

F*#k you very much. Don't be a stereotypical prick.

[:O]Chill fella. You live in one of those rat holes? I don't mind being called a prick, but what stereotype did you have in mind? Some actually irritate me.

Honestly, which one of my 4 simple sentences offended you? The irony of tearing down old homes in a historical neighborhood, the abomination of a gated community not sharing its view with neighbors or the drug slum apartments with no style whatsoever?

[Double A]

The implication that the residents are all drug dealers or drug addicts. You might be surprised to learn that long time residents of this area include someone who is instrumental in keeping the Blues Festival going every year or someone who is positively shaping the futures of our children that has gained wonderful national attention for Tulsa by their talents, just to name a few. Unfortunately, Tulsa has a long and abysmal history of under compensating it's young talent, dubiously justified by a low cost of living. Why begrudge these people who are loyal to Tulsa, that make such contributions to our community, just because this is the only housing in this area that they can afford? These are just some of the people who will be economically evicted by the monster that's eating our neighborhood known as Metro Lofts. If being concerned about access to affordable housing in this area for my neighbors makes me a commie, I guess that makes ya'll a bunch of fascist pigf#*kers for your apparent lack of concern. Being the good "commie" that I am, would you really expect me to sit back and take guff from swine?

BTW, while I am at it you can take your free markets, deregulations, fast track free trade agreements, privatized public infrastructure, security and prosperity partnerships, North American Union, outsourced global economy, voodoo trickle down economics, WTO, new world order and shove it. If you need any help, I'll be happy to do the honor.

Remember the Battle in Seattle

Here's an anthem to go along with my rant.

Lyrics by Propaghandi

Nation States

"Publicly subsidized! Privately profitable!" That's the anthem of the upper-tier (the puppeteer untouchable). We focus a moment, nod in approval and bury our head back in the bar-codes of these neo-colonials while our former nemesis (ah, the romance!): the nation-state, now plays fund-raiser for a new brand of power-concentrate. Try again, but now we're confused- what is "class-war"? Is this class war? Yes, this is class war. And I'm just a kid- I can't believe that I gotta worry about this kind of s#*t! What a stupid world! Yeah, this is just beautiful... absolutely no regard for principle. What a stupid world. (We're): 1) born 2) hired 3) disposed! Where that job lands, everybody knows and you can tell by the smile on the CEO's that the environmental restraints are about to go. You can bet that laws will be set to ensure the benefit of unrestricted labor-laws (all kept in place by displaced government death squads). They own us. They produce us. They consume us. Can you f*#king believe this? What a stupid world. F*#k this bulls#*t display of class-loyalties. The media and "our" leaders wrap it all up in a flag- their f#*king s*#t-rag. hooray!

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

The implication that the residents are all drug dealers or drug addicts. You might be surprised to learn that long time residents of this area include someone who is instrumental in keeping the Blues Festival going every year or someone who is positively shaping the futures of our children that has gained wonderful national attention for Tulsa by their talents, just to name a few. Unfortunately, Tulsa has a long and abysmal history of under compensating it's young talent, dubiously justified by a low cost of living. Why begrudge these people who are loyal to Tulsa, that make such contributions to our community, just because this is the only housing in this area that they can afford? These are just some of the people who will be economically evicted by the monster that's eating our neighborhood known as Metro Lofts. If being concerned about access to affordable housing in this area for my neighbors makes me a commie, I guess that makes ya'll a bunch of fascist pigf#*kers for your apparent lack of concern. Being the good "commie" that I am, would you really expect me to sit back and take guff from swine?

BTW, while I am at it you can take your free markets, deregulations, fast track free trade agreements, privatized public infrastructure, security and prosperity partnerships, North American Union, outsourced global economy, voodoo trickle down economics, WTO, new world order and shove it. If you need any help, I'll be happy to do the honor.

Remember the Battle in Seattle

Here's an anthem to go along with my rant.

Lyrics by Propaghandi

Nation States

"Publicly subsidized! Privately profitable!" That's the anthem of the upper-tier (the puppeteer untouchable). We focus a moment, nod in approval and bury our head back in the bar-codes of these neo-colonials while our former nemesis (ah, the romance!): the nation-state, now plays fund-raiser for a new brand of power-concentrate. Try again, but now we're confused- what is "class-war"? Is this class war? Yes, this is class war. And I'm just a kid- I can't believe that I gotta worry about this kind of s#*t! What a stupid world! Yeah, this is just beautiful... absolutely no regard for principle. What a stupid world. (We're): 1) born 2) hired 3) disposed! Where that job lands, everybody knows and you can tell by the smile on the CEO's that the environmental restraints are about to go. You can bet that laws will be set to ensure the benefit of unrestricted labor-laws (all kept in place by displaced government death squads). They own us. They produce us. They consume us. Can you f*#king believe this? What a stupid world. F*#k this bulls#*t display of class-loyalties. The media and "our" leaders wrap it all up in a flag- their f#*king s*#t-rag. hooray!

yeehaw, fight the power, rage against the machine, 911 is a joke... but those apartments are pieces of ****...

[waterboy]

Well, that was entertaining. I don't know how, but you have totally mis-identified my politics, my attitudes and my comments. You're loaded for bear and shooting at rabbits.

There is one set of apartments north of 15th and just west of Utica that are purveyors of drugs. That irritates me. The very people you rail against own those apartments and allow the decent tenants to be at risk. Having seen the damage drug addiction wreaks on families, I have little respect for landlords that knowingly rent to these clever little entrepreneurs.

I've lived near and shopped on Cherry Street since the late 70's. I enjoyed it more when it was identified as 15th street and was truly a Bohemian experience. The grade school was worth saving and well attended. Piggly Wiggly was fun to shop and Cherry Street bakery was outstanding. Watching it be reformed into some Tulsa People concept of hip shopping has been almost nauseating to me. Rents went up, historical buildings went down and marketing ensued. It was once an affordable, walkable, interesting old neighborhood that was emerging as cool. Now its something else.

The pinnacle of TP style came when our former mayor redesigned an island of land with a beautiful view of the skyline at sunset into a walled gated plain vanilla housing addition. There was nothing wrong with the lovely old homes they tore down, they were just in the way. The Tulsa way. We're lucky I guess, due to the recession in the early 80's, it was supposed to be a high rise.

I don't resent the new lofts going in over there. And although the prices are surprising to me it may help to return the area to a more interesting mixture of residents. But I doubt it. Their success will mean more modest homes will come down replaced with higher density till the area has consumed what made it interesting in the first place. That's the irony. Of course the junk that should come down will probably survive.

I wouldn't presume to force my view of the area on others, however. The developers who are responding to current pressures by the next gen to live there are doing there job. Fighting them is futile. Working with them may get you more affordable rents.

Am I in stereoptype?

[iplaw]

quote:
BTW, while I am at it you can take your free markets, deregulations, fast track free trade agreements, privatized public infrastructure, security and prosperity partnerships, North American Union, outsourced global economy, voodoo trickle down economics, WTO, new world order and shove it. If you need any help, I'll be happy to do the honor.

Ladies and gentlemen...I think I found out Double A's real identity.

[TheArtist]

If Tulsa actually starts to pic up some economic steam, Cherry street will really start to boom. Those lofts will be the least of your worries lol. Those lofts are just the first little scouting parties for the coming wave. [8D]

[YoungTulsan]

I didn't catch the story, how many houses were razed to put in the lofts?  I see things like this referred to as "dense" and "more urban" but 7 lofts?  Thats not that many.  I hope they didn't remove 7 or more houses.  And you know generally, a higher income loft is going to be occupied by like 1 or 2 people.  A lower-middle income home is more likely to have like 6 people living in it.  Which is more dense?

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by YoungTulsan

I didn't catch the story, how many houses were razed to put in the lofts?  I see things like this referred to as "dense" and "more urban" but 7 lofts?  Thats not that many.  I hope they didn't remove 7 or more houses.  And you know generally, a higher income loft is going to be occupied by like 1 or 2 people.  A lower-middle income home is more likely to have like 6 people living in it.  Which is more dense?

I think typically only one or two houses are demolished and the density of housing increases around three fold.
I think these developments also raise the density of economic activity in the local area. Because that lower class family with six kids probably buy everything at Walmart, while the people who live in these lofts will consume resources provided in the local community. They will also have higher disposable incomes which will kick start the urban renaissance of the area.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok


I think these developments also raise the density of economic activity in the local area. Because that lower class family with six kids probably buy everything at Walmart, while the people who live in these lofts will consume resources provided in the local community. They will also have higher disposable incomes which will kick start the urban renaissance of the area.

SNOB ALERT! Indolent bourgeousis! Snort another moon pie and cleanse your lower digestive system with a black label beer!By that rationale the new McDonald's and Subway on Cherry is an invitation to lower-class scum to move in!

The style of the lofts are not my cup of tea but at least they are not the overstyled slabs of puke known as Italian Rennaissance.  Talk about overdone.  I would rather see a cubist rendition of Dean martin's liver than another Tuscan.  Here is to diversity!

What would help is to make certain districts 'renter-free.'  Someone with a 30-day lease has virtually nothing in common with someone who sinks the better part of their life savings in a neighborhood.

The City should reward the builders' $10M investment with sound barriers for the BA.