Troost Lofts

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok


I think these developments also raise the density of economic activity in the local area. Because that lower class family with six kids probably buy everything at Walmart, while the people who live in these lofts will consume resources provided in the local community. They will also have higher disposable incomes which will kick start the urban renaissance of the area.

SNOB ALERT! Indolent bourgeousis! Snort another moon pie and cleanse your lower digestive system with a black label beer!By that rationale the new McDonald's and Subway on Cherry is an invitation to lower-class scum to move in!

The style of the lofts are not my cup of tea but at least they are not the overstyled slabs of puke known as Italian Rennaissance.  Talk about overdone.  I would rather see a cubist rendition of Dean martin's liver than another Tuscan.  Here is to diversity!

What would help is to make certain districts 'renter-free.'  Someone with a 30-day lease has virtually nothing in common with someone who sinks the better part of their life savings in a neighborhood.

The City should reward the builders' $10M investment with sound barriers for the BA.

The only thing Okies hate worse than know it all Yankees telling them what's best for 'em, is know it all Lymies doing it.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok


I think these developments also raise the density of economic activity in the local area. Because that lower class family with six kids probably buy everything at Walmart, while the people who live in these lofts will consume resources provided in the local community. They will also have higher disposable incomes which will kick start the urban renaissance of the area.

SNOB ALERT! Indolent bourgeousis! Snort another moon pie and cleanse your lower digestive system with a black label beer!By that rationale the new McDonald's and Subway on Cherry is an invitation to lower-class scum to move in!

The style of the lofts are not my cup of tea but at least they are not the overstyled slabs of puke known as Italian Rennaissance.  Talk about overdone.  I would rather see a cubist rendition of Dean martin's liver than another Tuscan.  Here is to diversity!

What would help is to make certain districts 'renter-free.'  Someone with a 30-day lease has virtually nothing in common with someone who sinks the better part of their life savings in a neighborhood.

The City should reward the builders' $10M investment with sound barriers for the BA.

The only thing Okies hate worse than know it all Yankees telling them what's best for 'em, is know it all Lymies doing it.

A limey? It doesn't matter who I am, it's what I'm saying that should count.

I never called anyone scum. All I was saying was that younger more affluent people have consumption patterns that are likely to lead to a general uplift in the area. There is nothing wrong about building houses that suit one type of household unit above another, especially as there is a real lack in property not designed around the single family.

I think that as more of these lofts are built the prices will fall and with time they will become more affordable. At the moment the real lack of anything comparable is driving up the price and the demand for these.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok

It doesn't matter who I am, it's what I'm saying that should count.

Oh it counts, all right!  I have nothing against large families and nothing against Wal-mart.  Why do you hate them?

Your unfortunate comment betrays the sensibilities of the new yuppies: stuck-up, snooty, hatin' on po folk.

[RecycleMichael]

Please try to not throw disparaging labels on each other. It does not help your argument and it detracts from your credibility.

I know it is difficult. I have been snarky in the past, but am trying to refrain from lowering the level of discussion.

Please.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Please try to not throw disparaging labels on each other. It does not help your argument and it detracts from your credibility.

I know it is difficult. I have been snarky in the past, but am trying to refrain from lowering the level of discussion.

Please.

What really detracts from the discussion is slamming poor people.  It goes to the heart of the matter of the 'new urbanists' versus legacy residents.

Why don't you PM me or send me email (which we have exchanged in the past) rather than lecture me on board etiquette?  Why do you not chastise IPlaw for detracting from an important thread related to child abuse than defend someone who made a stupid admission about poor people?

Lymie is an insult? Grow some skin.  Someone call you stuck-up? Apologize for bagging on families.

Please.  That remark was outrageous.  I held back.  At least I will tell you how I feel rather than play patty-patty with one hand while getting the knife out with the other.

[cannon_fodder]

I would like to point out that "new urbanist" bourgeois types have a far lesser rate of shootings in their neighborhoods than many areas occupied by "legacy residence."

Im sure its throwing fuel on the fire, but its just a fact...  

/me slinks away.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Please try to not throw disparaging labels on each other. It does not help your argument and it detracts from your credibility.

I know it is difficult. I have been snarky in the past, but am trying to refrain from lowering the level of discussion.

Please.

What really detracts from the discussion is slamming poor people.  It goes to the heart of the matter of the 'new urbanists' versus legacy residents.

Why don't you PM me or send me email (which we have exchanged in the past) rather than lecture me on board etiquette?  Why do you not chastise IPlaw for detracting from an important thread related to child abuse than defend someone who made a stupid admission about poor people?

Lymie is an insult? Grow some skin.  Someone call you stuck-up? Apologize for bagging on families.

Please.  That remark was outrageous.  I held back.  At least I will tell you how I feel rather than play patty-patty with one hand while getting the knife out with the other.

Hey Kettle...Pot calling, it's for you...complaining about someone lecturing you on board etiquette not an hour after you just did the same to someone else...someone certainly has thin skin, but it isn't RM.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger


The style of the lofts are not my cup of tea but at least they are not the overstyled slabs of puke known as Italian Rennaissance.  Talk about overdone.  I would rather see a cubist rendition of Dean martin's liver than another Tuscan.  Here is to diversity!

What would help is to make certain districts 'renter-free.'  Someone with a 30-day lease has virtually nothing in common with someone who sinks the better part of their life savings in a neighborhood.

Got to agree with you on those points.  The last thing Tulsa needs is another residential  or commercial development in some ersatz Tuscan, French, "cottage" style.  I love modern architecture but I am not crazy about the Troost designs either.

Personally, I think there should be a cap of 20% maximum on the number of properties in residential single family zoned subdivisions that can be rentals or non-owner occupied. (I know that will never happen, but I can wish.)  Trashy rental properties and trashy renters are the #1 scourge of my midtown Tulsa neighborhood.  I bought my home 20 years ago, worked hard and paid off the mortgage, only to be slowly surrounded by renters and others that have absolutely no interest or pride in the appearance and maintenance of their properties.  At least the police and co. sheriff got rid of the drug dealers that were squatting in the house next door to me for 6 months.  It has been very discouraging to me, but all I can do is keep my own home nice and hope my pride rubs off on the neighbors (fat chance of that), and make multiple complaints every month to city code enforcement. What a joke Tulsa code enforcement has evolved into, all bark and no bite.  They seem to be horribly understaffed.

[RecycleMichael]

The city of Tulsa agrees that homeowners have a better relationship with their neighborhood.

They have established a bon-profit that assists people in becoming homeowners.

http://www.cityoftulsa.org/Community/HOT/

[Double A]

Architecture and price aside, I wouldn't b*#tch so much about Metro Lofts projects, if they were built as well as the homes at the Village at Central Park.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Architecture and price aside, I wouldn't b*#tch so much about Metro Lofts projects, if they were built as well as the homes at the Village at Central Park.

I think the high price could well be a solution to your perceived problem with the quality, not that I personally consider them to be poorly constructed.

At the prices these developments are selling for I'm sure more developers will start building town houses and more urban properties. This will create more comparables which will drive down the price and raise the quality. At the moment there is so little to choose from people seem willing to buy anything out of the ordinary, maybe with time they will become more discerning as the supply increases.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

If they wanted to improve the Cherry Street historical ambiance and get my congratulations they could have replaced those drug infested 60's era apartments with their lofts instead of the single family rentals.

Gentrification!

Depends on which ones you are talking about. The ones on Quaker you have a point.

The ones in my area along St. Louis and Trenton add a ton of socioeconomic diversity to the area...

[deinstein]

And yes, this whole Metro Loft trend is rather annoying. They are using some of the cheapest, most hallow materials is my gripe.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok

Originally posted by YoungTulsanI think these developments also raise the density of economic activity in the local area. Because that lower class family with six kids probably buy everything at Walmart, while the people who live in these lofts will consume resources provided in the local community. They will also have higher disposable incomes which will kick start the urban renaissance of the area.

You're dead wrong on your stereotype of people living in these houses (usually renting)...

The house on St. Louis they tore down used to house roommates that were TU Law students, they moved out and the landlord was asking WAY too much so they remained vacant...

I'm assuming that's when the house was sold. And now we get cheap, suburban crap.

Great.

[TheArtist]

^Well if this "cheap suburban crap" is selling so well at such prices.  Sounds to me like a great opportunity for someone to build some quality suburban living and beat Mlofts at their own game.  Must show the desperation for this type of living if people are buying that "cheap crap". Right?