Spanking Laws

[iplaw]

The problem with anecdotal evidence when dealing with an issue like this is that every child and situation is unique.  What works for one may not work for all, as we aren't robots...

The bottom line is the SCOTUS has ruled that corporal punishment by parents and even schools is legal.

[Cubs]

Spanking works .... end of question.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Spanking works .... end of question.

Reminds me of a bit of case law I did at uni. R v Brown
Slightly different I know, but its a very interesting legal matter. Do you have the right to hurt a child?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok

quote:Originally posted by Cubs

Spanking works .... end of question.

Reminds me of a bit of case law I did at uni. R v Brown
Slightly different I know, but its a very interesting legal matter. Do you have the right to hurt a child?

Yes.  Ingraham v. Wright (1977)

[sgrizzle]

Maybe the mods should introduce spanking on the forum. Keep the n'er-do-wells at bay.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

Maybe the mods should introduce spanking on the forum. Keep the n'er-do-wells at bay.

Cubs gets spanked around here all the time.

[Conan71]

Personally, I enjoy being spanked[:O]

This has been floating around for a few weeks and isn't new news.

I can count on less than ten fingers how many times I had to spank my daughters when they were younger.  Sensing or seeing my disapproval was usually enough to get their attention, but when that was not enough, they got a swat on the behind and sent to their room.

I have two very well-adjusted, polite, and respectful young women I'm proud to say are mine.  They are my proudest accomplishment in life.

I resent the idea of the government sticking it's big schnozz into how I choose to discipline my children.

When I was growing up, I got swats at home and at school for mis-behaving.  I have to say, I rarely repeated the same behavior twice and I never resented my parents or school officials for administering it.

The only side effect I can see is it must have turned me into a forum troll. []

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71


I resent the idea of the government sticking it's big schnozz into how I choose to discipline my children.

I believe discipline reaches a point though where it becomes abuse and the government has the right to define that.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok

quote:Originally posted by Conan71


I resent the idea of the government sticking it's big schnozz into how I choose to discipline my children.

I believe discipline reaches a point though where it becomes abuse and the government has the right to define that.

Most people with a modicum of common sense can differentiate between punishment and abuse and can readily recognize the latter.  We already have laws on the books to deal with those people.  

Trying to develop a comprehensive corporal punishment law to cover every possible scenario is impossible.  How could we even enforce such a policy?

[guido911]

IP and Cubs: I gotta disagree with you on this one. Corporal punishment to children is barbaric, ineffective, and sends a terrible message.

Interestingly IP, since you brought it up, Oklahoma's criminal statute that discusses spanking states:

21 O.S. § 844. Ordinary force as means of discipline not prohibited

Provided, however, that nothing contained in this act shall prohibit any parent, teacher or other person from using ordinary force as a means of discipline, including but not limited to spanking, switching or paddling.

Apparently in Oklahoma, you can still go out to the weeping willow tree in grandma's back yard, cut down a "switch," and whip away on your kids.

[Conan71]

How far do you want to allow the government into your homes?

[iplaw]

You're right Guido, I bet that guy that beat the crap out of his kid and left her out in the cold to die was spanked as a kid...he was just repeating the cycle.[]

Here is a good website for more information.  
Apparently spanking is merely a hold-over from slave days and is somehow linked to lynching of slaves.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by si_uk_lon_ok

quote:Originally posted by Conan71


I resent the idea of the government sticking it's big schnozz into how I choose to discipline my children.

I believe discipline reaches a point though where it becomes abuse and the government has the right to define that.

Most people with a modicum of common sense can differentiate between punishment and abuse and can readily recognize the latter.  We already have laws on the books to deal with those people.  

Trying to develop a comprehensive corporal punishment law to cover every possible scenario is impossible.  How could we even enforce such a policy?

I think the fact there is a debate on this issue highlights that people do not have the same definitions of the difference between abuse and discipline.

I have no idea how such a policy would be enforced, but I'm saying I feel there is a thin line.

I used to work in a supermarket as a student and there you would see parents disciplining there kids. You could tell that a lot of people there felt they were going too far. Maybe the simplest way of dealing with such a complex matter is an outright ban to rid the grey area. I don't feel I'm disagreeing with you iplaw.

[iplaw]

quote:I think the fact there is a debate on this issue highlights that people do not have the same definitions of the difference between abuse and discipline.

I don't believe there is debate about the issue.  I think there are kooks who want all corporal punishment banned, that's what started the thread.  How would you even write such a law?

quote:
I have no idea how such a policy would be enforced, but I'm saying I feel there is a thin line.

As with most everything in life, but we can't legislate everything, especially in areas where most people with a smidge of common sense can make the right call on their own.

quote:
I used to work in a supermarket as a student and there you would see parents disciplining there kids. You could tell that a lot of people there felt they were going too far. Maybe the simplest way of dealing with such a complex matter is an outright ban to rid the grey area. I don't feel I'm disagreeing with you iplaw.

If you're asking for a complete ban...we couldn't be more polar opposite.

[mdunn]

A childs donkey should be spanked when he misbehaves...period!!Thats the way it was for centurys and we didnt have little hoodlums running around shooting each other...