Riot Memorial

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by swake


Whine about having the white side of town come and burn the black section killing maybe hundreds in the process? And the city police/government were at least criminally negligent in doing nothing trying to stop the riot and may well have been active and willing participants?

You either don't understand what this riot was or you are a complete racist.

I understand well what it was about and I'm sorry it happened.

But there will always be people like you Swake that will enjoy name calling when you wouldn't give a dime yourself. Or am I wrong Swake? Have you donated money already for this or have you offered any form of labor or etc in getting this built? Or are you one that just sits back and whines on and on about this place not getting built?

I didn't whine, you are the who is whining.

And it is tax dollars that would pay for the memorial so it IS my money and I think this is a far better use of tax money than tax breaks for oil companies or cash transfers to Halliburton.

[rwarn17588]

It's my tax dollars, too, and I don't have a problem with the memorial being built. A similar one should also be built in East St. Louis; the race riot that occurred there in 1917 was similar to Tulsa's in terms of loss of life.

http://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History010.htm

Of course, the black community in Tulsa would have had more money for their memorial if their neighborhood hadn't been DESTROYED by a bunch of crackers. And, yes, insurance claims typically don't cover property losses due to "civil unrest."

It was domestic terrorism, pure and simple.

[mdunn]

someone say "CRACKERS"?I like crackers in my soup!

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by swake


Whine about having the white side of town come and burn the black section killing maybe hundreds in the process? And the city police/government were at least criminally negligent in doing nothing trying to stop the riot and may well have been active and willing participants?

You either don't understand what this riot was or you are a complete racist.

I understand well what it was about and I'm sorry it happened.

But there will always be people like you Swake that will enjoy name calling when you wouldn't give a dime yourself. Or am I wrong Swake? Have you donated money already for this or have you offered any form of labor or etc in getting this built? Or are you one that just sits back and whines on and on about this place not getting built?

I didn't whine, you are the who is whining.

And it is tax dollars that would pay for the memorial so it IS my money and I think this is a far better use of tax money than tax breaks for oil companies or cash transfers to Halliburton.

thats why im against it.  those that want to carry the guilt of a dead generation can donte and build the memorial.  You all can buy little bricks with your name on it and have them placed around the memorial.  the whole purpose of a memorial is to make people aware.  I'm aware so I dont need a memorial.  i suspect stuffing that memorial downtown in a place where most people go is not going to further the cause.  Why not stick a sign on every city limits sign that says "Home of the Race Riot"  That would make people aware.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by swake



And it is tax dollars that would pay for the memorial so it IS my money

Well good for you Swake, Vision 3025 will be here before you know it.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

thats why im against it.  those that want to carry the guilt of a dead generation can donte and build the memorial.  You all can buy little bricks with your name on it and have them placed around the memorial.  the whole purpose of a memorial is to make people aware.  I'm aware so I dont need a memorial.  i suspect stuffing that memorial downtown in a place where most people go is not going to further the cause.  Why not stick a sign on every city limits sign that says "Home of the Race Riot"  That would make people aware.

Well said Inteller. Or maybe they could sell t-shirts saying they are a "Forth Generation Survivor of the Almighty Tulsa Race Riots....1921-2007" to get money for their cause.

[pmcalk]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by swake


Whine about having the white side of town come and burn the black section killing maybe hundreds in the process? And the city police/government were at least criminally negligent in doing nothing trying to stop the riot and may well have been active and willing participants?

You either don't understand what this riot was or you are a complete racist.

I understand well what it was about and I'm sorry it happened.

But there will always be people like you Swake that will enjoy name calling when you wouldn't give a dime yourself. Or am I wrong Swake? Have you donated money already for this or have you offered any form of labor or etc in getting this built? Or are you one that just sits back and whines on and on about this place not getting built?

I didn't whine, you are the who is whining.

And it is tax dollars that would pay for the memorial so it IS my money and I think this is a far better use of tax money than tax breaks for oil companies or cash transfers to Halliburton.

thats why im against it.  those that want to carry the guilt of a dead generation can donte and build the memorial.  You all can buy little bricks with your name on it and have them placed around the memorial.  the whole purpose of a memorial is to make people aware.  I'm aware so I dont need a memorial.  i suspect stuffing that memorial downtown in a place where most people go is not going to further the cause.  Why not stick a sign on every city limits sign that says "Home of the Race Riot"  That would make people aware.

Yeah!!  And why we're at it, let's get rid of that stupid WWII memorial--my money shouldn't go to that, cuz I already know there was a WWII.  And no more money for Gettysburg, the Alamo, Pearl Harbor, or the Washington Monument.  I know all there is to know about those things.  Come to think of it, to heck with any monument for the World Trade Center.  It just brings up bad memories.  Last thing we need is people reminding us of the past.  I'd much rather just keep repeating it.

[Chris]

quote:Originally posted by pmcalk

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by swake


Whine about having the white side of town come and burn the black section killing maybe hundreds in the process? And the city police/government were at least criminally negligent in doing nothing trying to stop the riot and may well have been active and willing participants?

You either don't understand what this riot was or you are a complete racist.

I understand well what it was about and I'm sorry it happened.

But there will always be people like you Swake that will enjoy name calling when you wouldn't give a dime yourself. Or am I wrong Swake? Have you donated money already for this or have you offered any form of labor or etc in getting this built? Or are you one that just sits back and whines on and on about this place not getting built?

I didn't whine, you are the who is whining.

And it is tax dollars that would pay for the memorial so it IS my money and I think this is a far better use of tax money than tax breaks for oil companies or cash transfers to Halliburton.

thats why im against it.  those that want to carry the guilt of a dead generation can donte and build the memorial.  You all can buy little bricks with your name on it and have them placed around the memorial.  the whole purpose of a memorial is to make people aware.  I'm aware so I dont need a memorial.  i suspect stuffing that memorial downtown in a place where most people go is not going to further the cause.  Why not stick a sign on every city limits sign that says "Home of the Race Riot"  That would make people aware.

Yeah!!  And why we're at it, let's get rid of that stupid WWII memorial--my money shouldn't go to that, cuz I already know there was a WWII.  And no more money for Gettysburg, the Alamo, Pearl Harbor, or the Washington Monument.  I know all there is to know about those things.  Come to think of it, to heck with any monument for the World Trade Center.  It just brings up bad memories.  Last thing we need is people reminding us of the past.  I'd much rather just keep repeating it.

And while we're at it let's stop wasting money on tombstones, those people are dead! What's the point of any memorial really!? Wait, there's something about the name MEMORIAL....


me·mo·ri·al       (m#601;-môr'#275;-#601;l, -m#333;r'-)  Pronunciation Key
n.  

  1. Something, such as a monument or holiday, intended to celebrate or HONOR the memory of a person or an event.

[mdunn]

or its a name of a street in Tulsa!

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

I'd rather see a Trail of Tears memorial/museum built. Every time I hear that race riot museum brought up, it reminds me of the Whiners on Saturday Night Live.

Well, then write your Congressman.

Don't be a bigot about it.

[deinstein]

Let's get rid of the OKC Bombing Memorial as well...waste of tax dollars!

[V]

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

quote:Originally posted by Porky

I'd rather see a Trail of Tears memorial/museum built. Every time I hear that race riot museum brought up, it reminds me of the Whiners on Saturday Night Live.

Well, then write your Congressman.

Don't be a bigot about it.

Why? The Cherokees are doing it with their own money. Unlike you white and black people wanting a handout from government to build it for you. Build it, I'm all for it but pay for it yourself.

[cannon_fodder]

Ok, compromise:

Tulsa will pay for the race riot memorial because it was instigated here and the City, County, State was negligent in not quelling the unrest.  (Note: I didnt accuse them of being in on it, fairly obvious they werent actually in on it from the above linked accounts)

THEN, we can build the trail of tears memorial but get the Eastern States that ousted the Cherokees (et. al, sorry my trail of tears history isnt that good) to pay for it.  We took them in (under the point of a federal gun) and sheltered them (poorly).  Meanwhile, those fat rats out east took their land and harvested all the 'yellow metal that makes the white man go mad.'  SOOOOOO... they pay for it, we get it.  

Then the trifecta is in play, the Cherokee build their cultural center/museum downtown nearby and  everyone is a winner!

Well, except the 'crackers' out East I suppose.
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Sincerely though, while I think a race riot memorial is appropriate I would like to see a contribution from the black community.  No one asked Muslims to pay for the 911 memorial, or the Japanese Pearl Harbor, nor Germany the DC WWII memorial.  Generally, people pay for their own memorials and dont ask others to do so for them.  

I guess this opens the door to a huge sidetrack that the black community in Tulsa seems to be on the outside on all the goings ons and content watching events unfold.  The only moving and shaking I hear, in my infinite ignorance Im sure, is the call for reparations.  Considering the proud and prosperous past of the black community in Tulsa, I'm surprised at current state of affairs.  Happy to discuss/be educated, probably a whole different thread though.


Per the trail of tears... I agree that something needs to be done on this account also.  I'm confident this project would get a significant boost from the various tribes involved and perhaps the Imperial Federal Government that perpetrated it.  Nearly everyone has heard of this event, yet few people know it ended in downtown Tulsa... purportedly at a tree that still stands.   Again, seems like another thread and a project I would be more than willing to help with since I imagine it would be a ball that rolled downhill.

Perhaps TulsaNow could choose a project and help out sometime?

[rwarn17588]

<cannon_fodder wrote:

Per the trail of tears... I agree that something needs to be done on this account also. I'm confident this project would get a significant boost from the various tribes involved and perhaps the Imperial Federal Government that perpetrated it. Nearly everyone has heard of this event, yet few people know it ended in downtown Tulsa... purportedly at a tree that still stands.

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Unless I'm missing something, it's always been my understanding that the Trail of Tears ended at what is now Tahlequah, not Tulsa.

http://home.nps.gov/applications/parks/trte/ppMaps/ACF17B.jpg

http://www.rosecity.net/tears/trail/map.html

Which begs the question on why Porky and other dismissers of the Tulsa Race Riot Memorial suddenly care about another event that didn't happen here.

[waterboy]

Using your logic Cannon, the Cherokees should pay for their own memorial. Or did I misread that?